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Re: What to do about gnulib libio dependencies?

On 08/21/2018 08:27 AM, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Paul Eggert <> wrote:
>> Carlos O'Donell wrote:
>>> Why is gnulib expecting these internals
>>> to be stable?
>> It's not. If glibc changes its internals in this area, gnulib will have to
>> either adapt or give up. I hope it won't be the latter; too many GNU
>> programs use that functionality.
> I think it would clarify this discussion if you gave concrete examples
> of existing programs that use these functions, and described what they
> are doing with them that can't be accomplished using the standard
> interfaces.  Since Florian expressed concern specifically about their
> interaction with wide streams, it would also be good to know if these
> programs ever make any use of wide streams (I tend to think that the
> entire wchar.h set of interfaces is not fit for purpose anyway and
> shouldn't be a priority).

I think Florian's argument of "minimum harm" bypasses this line of
reasoning. Either we accept all the interfaces or we don't and cause
some harm.

Would you be opposed to having an "amnesty day" in which we accept
the gnulib interface, and get some assurances from Paul that this
won't happen again?


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