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Re: [rain1 at airmail dot cc] Delete abortion joke
- From: Jeff Law <law at redhat dot com>
- To: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh at gotplt dot org>, Carlos O'Donell <carlos at redhat dot com>, rms at gnu dot org, Zack Weinberg <zackw at panix dot com>, Alexandre Oliva <aoliva at redhat dot com>
- Cc: libc-alpha at sourceware dot org
- Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 07:53:34 -0600
- Subject: Re: [rain1 at airmail dot cc] Delete abortion joke
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On 05/03/2018 01:01 AM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On 05/03/2018 10:06 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
>> As a GNU Developer for the community I OK'd the patch.
>>
>> As a GNU Developer I answer to the GNU Project.
>>
>> I also apologize for not contacting you directly.
>>
>> This does not change my position on the joke and it's relation to
>> abortion and censorship.
>>
>> A large group of developers, serious senior developers, at least 3
>> project stewards (GNU Developers for the project), are indicating
>> that they do not share your same view on the joke. Please consider
>> their input and work with me to reach a consensus position.
>>
>> The underlying notions that the joke tries to express are important
>> and I am more than willing to engage with you and Alex to write
>> new text and put it back into the manual to meet our needs to
>> express a viewpoint on censorship.
>>
>> Let me propose another the following patch for discussion. It is
>> *not* a @cartouche, and will therefore be visible in all of our
>> info and html files (which is better IMO).
>>
>> 2018-05-03 Carlos O'Donell <carlos@systemhalted.org>
>>
>> * manual/intro.texi (Government Censorship): New node.
>
> That still doesn't make it any more relevant to the GNU project, let
> alone glibc. I agree that it may be relevant to the FSF, but does that
> mean that I can submit patches to add snippets about privacy invasions
> and/or human rights violations in India given that I am an active GNU
> contributor?
>
> We probably agree on a lot of political and social issues (not that it
> is even necessary), but the manual is just not the forum for it.
Agreed 100%.
jeff