forge vs gitolite (Re: CTI - Making a decision for glibc.)

[Gabriel Ravier]

On 2/5/26 9:29 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On Feb  4, 2026, DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Alexandre Oliva <oliva@gnu.org> writes:
>>> but the core of the argument against SaaSS is the same ethical
>>> argument against nonfree software: you deserve control over your
>>> computing.
>> I'd like to take a moment to point out the irony here.  You tell us we
>> deserve control over our computing, then tell us we cannot choose how to
>> do our computing.  You tell us our computing must be in our control,
>> then tell us to cede that control to sourceware.
> No, that's a misunderstanding, and a misrepresentation of what I'm
> saying.
>
> We're not doing our computing on Sourceware.  The services we're using
> aren't SaaSS, to the best of my knowledge, they're publishing and
> communication, which aren't our computing, so relying on a third party
> for them doesn't affect our control over our computing.
>
> If we were to start using SaaSS from Sourceware, from Codeberg, or even
> from the FSF, you could expect about as much opposition from me as in
> this case.  Ok, maybe not as much because I have other reasons to
> dislike and distrust the LF, even WRT services that aren't SaaSS.


Wait, so what about the transition is SaaSS, then ? Does the transition 
also involve using a bunch of new LF services (with no currently-used 
Sourceware equivalent) that you would consider SaaSS ? Or are certain 
(otherwise identical) services that are not SaaSS when done on 
Sourceware but are SaaSS when done on LF ? Or is the fear that glibc 
*might* end up using SaaSS from LF in the future ???


>
>> This is the problem with the SaaSS argument.  You can draw the line
>> wherever you like, to make whatever argument you like, but in the end
>> you don't really want the user to be free to do what they want.
> That's the age old philosophical argument of the supposed freedom to
> enslave oneself.  Once you admit the existence of such a freedom and
> exercise it, you're no longer free.
>
> I want users, including ourselves, to keep our freedom, so that we don't
> make poor choices today that curtail our present and future freedom, by
> giving others power over us and those who come after us in the community.
>
>
> I disregard the rest of your argument because it was built on an unsound
> premise.
>
>

I will say, I think that SaaSS and slavery aren't exactly comparable.