Created attachment 15427 [details] Moksha locale file Hello I'm helping the Moksha speaking users to implemnt Moksha locale support in glibc and other software. Give me know, if any errors or problems with the locale file will be found. And I will fix it. Best Regards, Pavel
Created attachment 15428 [details] UTF-8 conversion Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. Please double-check.
(In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > Created attachment 15428 [details] > UTF-8 conversion > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > Please double-check. Hello, Florian Weimer! I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. Thank you for help!
Patch posted to mailing list: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2024-May/156599.html
(In reply to 2Odissey from comment #2) > (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > > Created attachment 15428 [details] > > UTF-8 conversion > > > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > > Please double-check. > > Hello, Florian Weimer! > > I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. > > Thank you for help! The days of the week must be named: Атянжи Шавши Вержи Шуваланя Пяденця Ёткши Недляши https://infourok.ru/rabochaya-programma-po-mokshanskomu-yaziku-v-klasse-462815.html Please correct.
(In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #4) > (In reply to 2Odissey from comment #2) > > (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > > > Created attachment 15428 [details] > > > UTF-8 conversion > > > > > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > > > Please double-check. > > > > Hello, Florian Weimer! > > > > I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. > > > > Thank you for help! > The days of the week must be named: > Атянжи > Шавши > Вержи > Шуваланя > Пяденця > Ёткши > Недляши > https://infourok.ru/rabochaya-programma-po-mokshanskomu-yaziku-v-klasse- > 462815.html > Please correct. Is the Wikipedia page quoted in mdf_RU wrong?: LC_TIME % day - The full names of the week days: % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week day "таргоши";/ "одговши";/ "шавши";/ "вержи";/ "шуваланя";/ "цилеши";/ "ёткши" % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: abday "тар";/ "одг";/ "шав";/ "вер";/ "шув";/ "цил";/ "ётк"
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #5) > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #4) > > (In reply to 2Odissey from comment #2) > > > (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > > > > Created attachment 15428 [details] > > > > UTF-8 conversion > > > > > > > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > > > > Please double-check. > > > > > > Hello, Florian Weimer! > > > > > > I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. > > > > > > Thank you for help! > > The days of the week must be named: > > Атянжи > > Шавши > > Вержи > > Шуваланя > > Пяденця > > Ёткши > > Недляши > > https://infourok.ru/rabochaya-programma-po-mokshanskomu-yaziku-v-klasse- > > 462815.html > > Please correct. > > Is the Wikipedia page quoted in mdf_RU wrong?: > > LC_TIME > % day - The full names of the week days: > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > day "таргоши";/ > "одговши";/ > "шавши";/ > "вержи";/ > "шуваланя";/ > "цилеши";/ > "ёткши" > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > abday "тар";/ > "одг";/ > "шав";/ > "вер";/ > "шув";/ > "цил";/ > "ётк" My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source.
Created attachment 15496 [details] Days of the week in moksha textbook
(In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #6) > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #5) > > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #4) > > > (In reply to 2Odissey from comment #2) > > > > (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > > > > > Created attachment 15428 [details] > > > > > UTF-8 conversion > > > > > > > > > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > > > > > Please double-check. > > > > > > > > Hello, Florian Weimer! > > > > > > > > I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. > > > > > > > > Thank you for help! > > > The days of the week must be named: > > > Атянжи > > > Шавши > > > Вержи > > > Шуваланя > > > Пяденця > > > Ёткши > > > Недляши > > > https://infourok.ru/rabochaya-programma-po-mokshanskomu-yaziku-v-klasse- > > > 462815.html > > > Please correct. > > > > Is the Wikipedia page quoted in mdf_RU wrong?: > > > > LC_TIME > > % day - The full names of the week days: > > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > > day "таргоши";/ > > "одговши";/ > > "шавши";/ > > "вержи";/ > > "шуваланя";/ > > "цилеши";/ > > "ёткши" > > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > > abday "тар";/ > > "одг";/ > > "шав";/ > > "вер";/ > > "шув";/ > > "цил";/ > > "ётк" > > My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in > Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source. So is the following correct?: LC_TIME % day - The full names of the week days: % Wikipedia has something different: % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week % the following is from: % https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31530#c6 day "Недляши";/ "Атянжи";/ "Шавши";/ "Вержи";/ "Шуваланя";/ "Пяденця";/ "Ёткши" % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: abday "Нед";/ "Атя";/ "Шав";/ "Вер";/ "Шув";/ "Пяд";/ "Ётк" Note that Sunday is on top!
(In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #6) > My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in > Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source. It would be nice if you could fix it in Wikipedia as well then.
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #8) > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #6) > > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #5) > > > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #4) > > > > (In reply to 2Odissey from comment #2) > > > > > (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > > > > > > Created attachment 15428 [details] > > > > > > UTF-8 conversion > > > > > > > > > > > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > > > > > > Please double-check. > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Florian Weimer! > > > > > > > > > > I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for help! > > > > The days of the week must be named: > > > > Атянжи > > > > Шавши > > > > Вержи > > > > Шуваланя > > > > Пяденця > > > > Ёткши > > > > Недляши > > > > https://infourok.ru/rabochaya-programma-po-mokshanskomu-yaziku-v-klasse- > > > > 462815.html > > > > Please correct. > > > > > > Is the Wikipedia page quoted in mdf_RU wrong?: > > > > > > LC_TIME > > > % day - The full names of the week days: > > > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > > > day "таргоши";/ > > > "одговши";/ > > > "шавши";/ > > > "вержи";/ > > > "шуваланя";/ > > > "цилеши";/ > > > "ёткши" > > > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > > > abday "тар";/ > > > "одг";/ > > > "шав";/ > > > "вер";/ > > > "шув";/ > > > "цил";/ > > > "ётк" > > > > My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in > > Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source. > > So is the following correct?: > > LC_TIME > % day - The full names of the week days: > % Wikipedia has something different: > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > % the following is from: > % https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31530#c6 > day "Недляши";/ > "Атянжи";/ > "Шавши";/ > "Вержи";/ > "Шуваланя";/ > "Пяденця";/ > "Ёткши" > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > abday "Нед";/ > "Атя";/ > "Шав";/ > "Вер";/ > "Шув";/ > "Пяд";/ > "Ётк" > > Note that Sunday is on top! Of course Sunday is at the top. I checked with the specialist again. Note that Monday is written with a sign "ь". The final version: LC_TIME % day - The full names of the week days: % Wikipedia has something different: % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week % the following is from: % https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31530#c6 day "Недляши";/ "Атяньжи";/ "Шавши";/ "Вержи";/ "Шуваланя";/ "Пяденця";/ "Ёткши" % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: abday "Нед";/ "Атя";/ "Шав";/ "Вер";/ "Шув";/ "Пяд";/ "Ётк"
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #9) > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #6) > > > My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in > > Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source. > > It would be nice if you could fix it in Wikipedia as well then. Done.
(In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #11) > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #9) > > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #6) > > > > > My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > > > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > > > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in > > > Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source. > > > > It would be nice if you could fix it in Wikipedia as well then. > > Done. Great! Thank you!
The master branch has been updated by Mike Fabian <mfabian@sourceware.org>: https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=glibc.git;h=79fe4a0fa07d0fff98888965f47842251f554dd4 commit 79fe4a0fa07d0fff98888965f47842251f554dd4 Author: Mike FABIAN <mfabian@redhat.com> Date: Tue May 7 11:12:38 2024 +0200 localedata: add mdf_RU locale Resolves: BZ # 31530
Pushed to master, will be in glibc 2.40
(In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #10) > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #8) > > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #6) > > > (In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #5) > > > > (In reply to Кирилл Изместьев from comment #4) > > > > > (In reply to 2Odissey from comment #2) > > > > > > (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1) > > > > > > > Created attachment 15428 [details] > > > > > > > UTF-8 conversion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Locales should use UTF-8 nowadays. I'm attaching a semi-manual conversion. > > > > > > > Please double-check. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Florian Weimer! > > > > > > > > > > > > I've re-checked the new UTF-8 converted file. It's correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for help! > > > > > The days of the week must be named: > > > > > Атянжи > > > > > Шавши > > > > > Вержи > > > > > Шуваланя > > > > > Пяденця > > > > > Ёткши > > > > > Недляши > > > > > https://infourok.ru/rabochaya-programma-po-mokshanskomu-yaziku-v-klasse- > > > > > 462815.html > > > > > Please correct. > > > > > > > > Is the Wikipedia page quoted in mdf_RU wrong?: > > > > > > > > LC_TIME > > > > % day - The full names of the week days: > > > > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > > > > day "таргоши";/ > > > > "одговши";/ > > > > "шавши";/ > > > > "вержи";/ > > > > "шуваланя";/ > > > > "цилеши";/ > > > > "ёткши" > > > > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > > > > abday "тар";/ > > > > "одг";/ > > > > "шав";/ > > > > "вер";/ > > > > "шув";/ > > > > "цил";/ > > > > "ётк" > > > > > > My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > > > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > > > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote. Apparently there is a mistake in > > > Wikipedia. School curriculum is a more reliable source. > > > > So is the following correct?: > > > > LC_TIME > > % day - The full names of the week days: > > % Wikipedia has something different: > > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > > % the following is from: > > % https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31530#c6 > > day "Недляши";/ > > "Атянжи";/ > > "Шавши";/ > > "Вержи";/ > > "Шуваланя";/ > > "Пяденця";/ > > "Ёткши" > > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > > abday "Нед";/ > > "Атя";/ > > "Шав";/ > > "Вер";/ > > "Шув";/ > > "Пяд";/ > > "Ётк" > > > > Note that Sunday is on top! > > Of course Sunday is at the top. I checked with the specialist again. Note > that Monday is written with a sign "ь". The final version: > > LC_TIME > % day - The full names of the week days: > % Wikipedia has something different: > % https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Days_of_the_week > % the following is from: > % https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31530#c6 > day "Недляши";/ > "Атяньжи";/ > "Шавши";/ > "Вержи";/ > "Шуваланя";/ > "Пяденця";/ > "Ёткши" > % abday - The abbreviations for the week days: > abday "Нед";/ > "Атя";/ > "Шав";/ > "Вер";/ > "Шув";/ > "Пяд";/ > "Ётк" Hello, all! > > > "My friend, who is a native speaker and has a degree in philology in the > > > Moksha language, claims that the names of the days of week in the literary > > > Moksha language are exactly as I wrote." It is NOT a proof! I'm a partly Moksha language speaker, my father is native speaker, as my uncle and my aunt and many my friends in my locality(village ~3000 persons). Who is this friend? And can I connect with him directly? Аbout - "Атяньжи", "Пяденьця", "Недляши" - it's analog pidgin(mixture of moksha language with russian). Additional proof: 1) https://mdf.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%88%D0%B8 - This is article about Monday on Moksha language wikipedia; 2) https://mdf.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B8 - for Thursday 3) https://mdf.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B8 - for Sunday I think that world-wide famous encyclopedic site on Moksha language with more 5000 articles and more 1 million words(a proof - https://mdf.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA) is more realiable source, that presentation of unknown school on unknown site.
Created attachment 15508 [details] Days of week on Moksha language
Created attachment 15509 [details] Days of week on Moksha wikipedia site
Wikipedia is not a primary source.
(In reply to Andreas Schwab from comment #18) > Wikipedia is not a primary source. No, it isn't a primary source. But Wiki has source links and community for checking.
(In reply to 2Odissey from comment #19) > (In reply to Andreas Schwab from comment #18) > > Wikipedia is not a primary source. > > No, it isn't a primary source. But Wiki has source links and community for > checking. I emailed you the contact information of a linguist I know.
Hello, all! I've done some additional research and I understand that I did mistake in my variant of locale file. My apologies for it! Thanks a lot to Кирилл Изместьев for his correction of my mistake and the specialist's contact! Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and resolution of this issue!
(In reply to 2Odissey from comment #21) > Hello, all! > > I've done some additional research and I understand that I did mistake in my > variant of locale file. > My apologies for it! > > > Thanks a lot to Кирилл Изместьев for his correction of my mistake and the > specialist's contact! > > Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and resolution of this > issue! So everything is OK now?
(In reply to Mike FABIAN from comment #22) > (In reply to 2Odissey from comment #21) > > Hello, all! > > > > I've done some additional research and I understand that I did mistake in my > > variant of locale file. > > My apologies for it! > > > > > > Thanks a lot to Кирилл Изместьев for his correction of my mistake and the > > specialist's contact! > > > > Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and resolution of this > > issue! > > So everything is OK now? Yes. I think, it is OK now.