Meeting Minutes - Office Hours for CTI - 2026-08-28

[Mark Wielaard]

Hi Zack,

On Tue, 2026-09-22 at 13:18 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> As a matter of objective sociological fact, starting from where we are
> now, there are only four things that can happen:
> 
> 1. You do as I have been recommending, and start the planning process
>    over from scratch with a fully detailed proposal posted to libc-
>    alpha, all subsequent discussion to take place exclusively on libc-
>    alpha.  This is the *only way* you can actually get your proposal
>    accepted by both the community of glibc developers and the larger
>    community of people who rely on glibc.
> 
> 2. You give up on your proposal; glibc stays where it is and doesn't
>    accept the additional funding that's tied to LF.
> 
> 3. We continue to argue in circles until either (1) or (2) happens.
> 
> 4. You force execution of your proposal as-is despite the lack of
>    consensus.  If you do this you will destroy enough people's
>    trust in glibc that someone (not me) is probably going to conduct a
>    hostile fork, and you will certainly leave at least two groups of
>    people not speaking to each other.

Phrased this way it sounds like there is nothing between accepting
Carlos proposal(s) as is or the status quo (and nothing changes). That
makes it a zero sum game where in the end the community as a whole
looses. I am hoping we can all win by before doing 1) we all take a
step back and formulate our goals. Then we can pick and choose which
parts of the proposal(s) have a chance of reaching consensus and where
alternatives are more realistic.

I believe everybody who showed sustained opposition also has provided
constructive alternative paths forward. Lets just explore those in
earnest and see if we can get consensus on whether they are viable to
realize our shared goals.

Cheers,

Mark