[ECOS] Re: Half Duplex RS485

Laurie Gellatly laurie.gellatly@netic.com
Wed Jan 23 21:12:00 GMT 2008

Wang/Grant, thanks for the replies.

>> My project has RS485 half duplex driven by UART0 of an
>> LPC2112. At present I've modified pc_serial_start_xmit and
>> pc_serial_stop_xmit to change a pin state so that the same
>> wires can be used for transmit and receive.
>> This does not see to work when the FIFO is enabled.
>Then you probably did it wrong. :)
>I imagine that RTS is shutting off too soon.  The problem is
>that pc_serial_stop_xmit() is called when the driver has no
>more data to send _to_ the UART.  That's not when you need to
>shut off RTS.  You need to shut off RTS when the UART is done
>sending data and both the FIFO and shift register are empty.
>You're probably shutting off RTS while the UART still has data
>in the tx FIFO and the tx shift register.
Funny thing is that it appears that the first part of the 
transmission is lost.

>> Has anyone else done RS485 half duplex?
>Many, many times.
>> Did you modify these routines or write your own?
>I usually pick a UART that supports half-duplex operation, and
>then just enabled that feature in the UART.  [I use a custom
>eCos serial driver that supports quite a few more advanced UART
>features than the standard driver (e.g. flow control,
>half-duplex, inter-byte timeouts, 9-bit modes, FIFO control,
>If you don't have a proper UART, you need to enable the tx
>shift register empty interrupt and use that to trigger code
>that de-asserts RTS.  If you're using a broken UART that
>doesn't have a tx shift register empty interrupt, then you'll
>have to poll for the tx shift register empty status.  If you're
>using a really broken UART that doesn't have a _working_
>shift-register empty status[1], then you may have to start a
>timer that will wake you up at the point in time where RTS
>needs to be changed.
>> Did you get the FIFO to work?
>When there was one, yes.
>[1] There are broken UARTs (including a few PC chipsets) whose
>    shift-register empty bit gets set _before_ the stop bit has
>    been sent.  In that case, you may need to use some sort of
>    time-delay to wait until after the stop bit has been sent
>    to toggle RTS.  On a properly implimented RS-485 bus, there
>    should be pull-up and pull-down resisters so that the bus
>    idles in the mark state (same value as a stop bit), but to
>    be on the safe side you should leave the bus driver on
>    until after the stop bit has been sent.

Grant, do you know if the LPC series have 'broken' UARTS?
Specifically LPC2212 and LPC2103?
U0TSR looks promising as an indication of when the bits
'have left the building' - is it accurate or do I
need to add a time delay?

Really appreciate the help.			...Laurie:{)

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