From e.bischoff@noos.fr Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: How do I get numbered sections? In-Reply-To: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> References: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> Message-ID: <01121307044702.00846@s010> Le Thursday 13 December 2001 00:54, Alan Westhagen a ??crit : > Being new to docbook, I have downloaded a > number of HOWTOs and Docbook guides in > source form, so that I can study the > markup used. > > When I run docbook2html on these sources, > I get usable html output, but it differs > from that posted on the web. In particular, > the section headings are not numbered and > neither are the section references in the > table of contents. > > What am I missing? Customized stylesheets. Usuallyu they have .dsl extension. > Is there some parameter > to docbook2html that I need to use? -d the_downloaded_stylesheet.dsl > or > is there some attribute which controls > enumeration behavior? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ??ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From swilhelm@theriver.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: swilhelm@theriver.com (Stephen Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: <01013112191908.00703@s010.strasbourg-251.cybercable.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Eric Bischoff wrote: > Le Samedi 20 Janvier 2001 16:17, Stephen Wilhelm a ????crit : [snip] > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). > > > > Any suggestions? > > In DocBook 4.0, has been introduced to allow you have the same > picture (or anything else) in several formats at the same time. This works great! I just have to change my makefile to convert my png's to my preferred image format. Thanks a lot. BTW, it appears that exists in 3.1, since its documented in my DocBook book (which only covers 3.1, though it mentions likely changes in future versions). -- Stephen Wilhelm See my Gtk-Perl Tutorial: http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ From dereks@realloc.net Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: dereks@realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name References: <871ysp6roq.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: -> If it's not too much trouble, could I ask the moderator to please -> change the "presentation name" of this list? -> -> DocBook Mailing List -> -> This isn't the "DocBook Mailing List", that's docbook@lists.oasis-open.org. -> This is the "DocBook Tools Discussion" list or some such... While we're at it, a bracketed subject prefix would be nice, i.e.: [DTD] Subject here It makes life easier for those of us who manually read through our mails each day. It also makes it a little easier to set up sorting filters in most email programs. Thanks, Derek Simkowiak From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> <001101c08496$3f7ea880$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> Message-ID: <87vgr7ib79.fsf@nwalsh.com> / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: | The bibliography is placed at the end of the sgml source document (I don't | think that this makes much difference anyway). BTW db2pdf places the | bibliography at the end of the document as I wish. Judging by the table of contents in your HTML document: Table of Contents Revised Aims and Objectives Progress to date Achieved objectives Work in Progress Revised Gantt Chart References it looks like References occurs at the end of the HTML. I'm still confused. What's incorrect about the HTML placement? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | All professional men are handicapped by http://nwalsh.com/ | not being allowed to ignore things | which are useless.--Goethe From alex@birkett.co.uk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: alex@birkett.co.uk (Alex Birkett) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: <001101c08496$3f7ea880$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> I am honoured to receive your email. I will attempt to explain myself more clearly. The page attached to the previous email was the front page generated by jade (db2html). The section titled "references" is a bibliography. The source sgml is included here: References WEB1 <ulink url=" http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/jakarta-tomcat/src/doc/uguide/tomcat_u g.html"></ulink> Tomcat - A Minimalistic User's Guide The bibliography is placed at the end of the sgml source document (I don't think that this makes much difference anyway). BTW db2pdf places the bibliography at the end of the document as I wish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Walsh" To: "Alex Birkett" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages > / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: > | I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the > | bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this > | email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the > | bibliography appear at the end of the document? > > I'm not sure I understand. I don't see a bibliography in this document. > Do you mean the bibligraphic data (author, department, supervisor and > such), or am I confused? > > Be seeing you, > norm > > -- > Norman Walsh | Unless one is a genius, it is best to > http://nwalsh.com/ | aim at being intelligible.--Anthony Hope > From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: Message-ID: <87puhe6ufj.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: | Another sample can be found on: | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html | | Which may show it more clearly. (This was generated using a docbook 3.1 | source.) Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | It is seldom that any liberty is lost http://nwalsh.com/ | all at once.--David Hume From smith@xml-doc.org Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: smith@xml-doc.org (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: ANN: Emacs WYSIWYG CALS table generator Message-ID: Just made available: a new release of a WYSIWYG table editor for GNU Emacs and XEmacs, with support added for generating XML source compliant with the OASIS Exchange subset of the CALS table model (used in DocBook and in some other DTDs)[1]. The editor -- v1.5.16 of the Emacs lisp package table.el created by Takaaki (Tak) Ota -- can be dowloaded at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=14137&release_id=21474 Details and screenshots are available at: http://table.sourceforge.net/ Along with the newly added CALS support, other notable features: * can generate HTML 3.2-compliant tables too * also useful for embedding tables in any text document: in comments in code or e-mail, for example -- not just for XML/SGML/HTML * like Emacs itself, can be used even in a non-Windowing/GUI environment (for example, over a Telnet/tty connection) * support for generating LaTeX tables is in the works The table.el site also provides a number of supporting Sourceforge features, including links to table.el mailing lists (for bugs and requests) and an interface for submitting table.el bug reports. But not a CALS or HTML rendering/display engine --------------------------------------------------------------------- Though table.el generates CALS and HTML source, it doesn't render/ display either CALS or HTML tables. Ota considers source rendering out of scope for table.el, and has no plans to ever offer integrated rendering. However, he has said he is very much willing to collaborate with developers working on rendering packages (such as w3 mode for Emacs) and working with them on package interoperablity to enable "round tripping" of tables in Emacs. By the way, though table.el itself contains extensive documentation -- and is easy enough to use that you don't really need the docs much -- I'll be helping to create a Texinfo file for it, so feel free to send comments or suggestions for the documentation to me. --Mike Smith [1] For those familiar with the CALS table model ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The XML source generated by table.el will validate either against the "full" CALS model or the OASIS Exchange XML subset, as described in OASIS Technical Memorandum TR9901:1999: http://www.oasis-open.org/html/tm9901.htm This means that the XML source generated by table.el: * specifies horizontal spans by placing namest="" and nameend="" attributes on elements, instead of elements * never contains elements However, compliant with OASIS Exchange subset, table.el _does_ enable you to specify how many (zero or more) 's of the generated source should be wrapped in a element. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael Smith mailto:smith@xml-doc.org xml-doc http://www.xml-doc.org/ From twaugh@redhat.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: Message-ID: <20010222220645.D1106@redhat.com> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Peter Toft wrote: > It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? It's also plain wrong for (for example) a document contains a snippet of SGML. For a work-around, see , but it would be marvellous if this could be fixed somehow. Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6lY10ONXnILZ4yVIRAhgmAKCqlbbLLpKCYUyw+YcGBPHOwnnoJQCgo12h zONhvw0nEdQ00yjKN98TswY= =jW55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dereks@realloc.net Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: dereks@realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name References: Message-ID: -> And I don't like to waste Subject line space to mailinglist info. Iy -> usually becomes messy as soon as you respond. This is my last message on this subject. If you want to reply to me, please do so privately. Re: line space: it's 5 characters. Most of the lists I'm subscribed to (mostly Open Source projects) have some such prefix, and it really does help. It helps me, anyway. Second: Mailman and Majordomo both support the idea of a prefix; i.e., the prefix is not added on every time somebody replies. The prefix will only appear once for each message. On all the lists I maintain we have a prefix, and nobody's complained about them. Obviously, it's always up to the list maintainer, I was just throwing the request out there. --Derek From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: Message-ID: <877l2h6rqr.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Peter Toft was heard to say: | However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a | long minus, i.e. | | d-x-x-x DIR1 | dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 | | It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I | use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick | pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? Are you using a recent pdfjadetex? I thought Sebastian fixed this one long ago? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | There has never been a perfect http://nwalsh.com/ | government, because men have passions; | and if they did not have passions, | there would be no need for | government.--Voltaire From e.bischoff@noos.fr Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: <01013112191908.00703@s010.strasbourg-251.cybercable.fr> Le Samedi 20 Janvier 2001 16:17, Stephen Wilhelm a ????crit : > Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I > use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a > great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images > not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting > Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel > of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously > unacceptable). > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). > > Any suggestions? Yes. In DocBook 4.0, has been introduced to allow you have the same picture (or anything else) in several formats at the same time. So the kind of tricks as proposed by Peter are only necessary for DocBook up to version 3.1 (I also proposed similar things at that time on this list). The complete syntax for is explained on http://www.caldera.de/~eric/crash-course/HTML . From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> Message-ID: <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: | I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the | bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this | email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the | bibliography appear at the end of the document? I'm not sure I understand. I don't see a bibliography in this document. Do you mean the bibligraphic data (author, department, supervisor and such), or am I confused? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Unless one is a genius, it is best to http://nwalsh.com/ | aim at being intelligible.--Anthony Hope From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: > | I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the > | bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this > | email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the > | bibliography appear at the end of the document? > > I'm not sure I understand. I don't see a bibliography in this document. > Do you mean the bibligraphic data (author, department, supervisor and > such), or am I confused? Norm, I think he means: References [WEB1]???? http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/jakarta-tomcat/src/doc/uguide/tomcat_ug html Tomcat - A Minimalistic User's Guide. Another sample can be found on: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html Which may show it more clearly. (This was generated using a docbook 3.1 source.) Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > -> If it's not too much trouble, could I ask the moderator to please > -> change the "presentation name" of this list? > -> > -> DocBook Mailing List > -> > -> This isn't the "DocBook Mailing List", that's docbook@lists.oasis-open.org. > -> This is the "DocBook Tools Discussion" list or some such... > > While we're at it, a bracketed subject prefix would be nice, i.e.: > > [DTD] Subject here > > > It makes life easier for those of us who manually read through our > mails each day. It also makes it a little easier to set up sorting > filters in most email programs. I counted about 8 lines added by the mailinglist software. Should be enough for half a dozen filters. And I don't like to waste Subject line space to mailinglist info. Iy usually becomes messy as soon as you respond. Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From e.bischoff@noos.fr Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: ANNOUNCE Support for XML In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D083E@EMAIL> References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D083E@EMAIL> Message-ID: <01121511532101.01223@s010> Le Monday 27 November 2000 20:29, Gregory Leblanc a ??crit : > > Le Lundi 13 Novembre 2000 07:08, Gregory Leblanc a ??crit : > > > In it's current form, I am NOT able to build an > > > RPM for the docbook-utils package unless I'm logged in as root. > > > > ???? What happens? Should not be needed. > > ok, I sort of lied. I changed your spec file like this. > > --- docbook-utils.spec Thu Nov 9 14:23:21 2000 > > +++ docbook-utils.spec.new Mon Nov 13 10:54:06 2000 > > @@ -31,13 +31,21 @@ > ... > > > I see why the build is failing, but I can't figure out why it's doing that, > nor how to fix it. Any help? Hi Greg. I'm purging my very old unread emails. At some point of time I had problems to keep pace with the flood of emails. Do you still need help on this? If yes, can you reexplain the problem? Sorry for answering one year later :-(. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ??ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paul.webb@argonet.co.uk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: paul.webb@argonet.co.uk (Paul Webb) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs Message-ID: Hi I have marked up my document by using the ... method as described in 'DocBook: The Definitive Guide' I've also managed to produce an index in the HTML version of the doc by using collateindex.pl. But how do I produce an index in the PDF? Can I use collateindex.pl in conjunction with some other commands or is there an alternative method? Thanks in advance for your help. Paul. P.S. I'm using: jade v1.2.1-16 sp 1.3.4-1.2.1-16 cygnus stylesheets 0.10.2-2 docbase 0.7.8 sgml-base 1.2.1 -- From gleblanc@cu-portland.edu Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: gleblanc@cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: troubles and getting help Message-ID: <20422c9ead228ed778f690efb94e6120@NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org> Which list is the right one to get help when using the new tools? I have a few problems with it, plus a few feature requests I'd like to see implemented. So, do I want the list at conectiva, or the list at sources.redhat.com? Greg From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: <3A7ED161.98CDBD4B@conectiva.com.br> Do you like that line, above the header of the page? I like ;) So, to do this, put this line in your jadetex.cfg file \def\headrulewidth{0.5\p@}% And you will have that line. To do this in the dsl style, it's also possible, but the space between the "Chapter 1. Blablabla" and the line, will be too big (0.5cm) So, do it in the style it's better. To create the same line, before the page number, do: \def\footrulewidth{0.5\p@}% hugs -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: Message-ID: <87hf2q5bjm.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: | > Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? | | They are on my homepage as well. (It is open source documentation.) Fixed. Here's a patch for the impatient :-) BTW, Hugo, you've got some typos in that bibliography, ...<title> where you meant <title>.... hermes:/share/dsssl/docbook/html$ cvs diff cvs diff: Diffing . Index: dbbibl.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /share/cvs/dbdsssl/html/dbbibl.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -r1.2 dbbibl.dsl 59a60,70 > (element (article bibliography) > (let ((title (element-title-sosofo (current-node))) > (body (make sequence > (make element gi: "A" > attributes: (list (list "NAME" (element-id))) > (empty-sosofo)) > ($component-separator$) > ($component-title$) > (bibliography-content)))) > (html-document title body))) > Index: dbchunk.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /share/cvs/dbdsssl/html/dbchunk.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -r1.2 dbchunk.dsl 70c70 < ;; occur in book. --- > ;; occur in book or article. 75c75,76 < (not (equal? (gi (parent nd)) (normalize "book")))) --- > (not (or (equal? (gi (parent nd)) (normalize "book")) > (equal? (gi (parent nd)) (normalize "article"))))) Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Perhaps, but let's not get bogged down http://nwalsh.com/ | in semantics.--Homer J. Simpson, BABF07 From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs References: Message-ID: On Thu 22 Feb, Peter Toft wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Paul Webb wrote: for clarity - I'm working with Paul Webb on the same docs > > I have marked up my document by using the > > ... method as described in > > 'DocBook: The Definitive Guide' I've also managed to produce an index in the > > HTML version of the doc by using collateindex.pl. > > But how do I produce an index in the PDF? Can I use collateindex.pl in > > conjunction with some other commands or is there an alternative method? > Sure you can; > For HTML as well as PS/PDF I use > perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index \ > -g -i index -N -o index.sgml > cp *.sgml tempdir > (cd tempdir; jade -t sgml -ihtml -d $(cygnus)\#print \ > -V html-index -V nochunks MAIL_FILE.sgml > foo.html) > perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index -g -i index \ > -o index.sgml tempdir/HTML.index > If it bites back mail me again. I don't quite get how this is supposed to work. The above is essentially what we are doing for our HTML output (apart from the -V nochunks) and I get an sgml index file which refers to tags in the HTML output. But I don't understand how to get from here to a PDF file. The nub seems to be jade -t sgml -ihtml -Vhtml-index generates an index file collateindex put this back into sgml form, then jade -t sgml -ihtml reprocesses the original including the index on the end into indexed html. So is the equivalent for pdf as follows:? jade -t sgml -ihtml -Vhtml-index generates an index file collateindex put this back into sgml form, then jade -t tex -ihtml pdfjadetex pdfjadetex pdfjadetex ie I just change the backend type? And what does that -i option do? /usr/doc/jade doesn't seem to mention it, but it appears to be important. If not do I need different index-generating options -i and -V If I just try the above then I get a 5M tex file (instead of the 1Mb I was previously getting) and attempting to process it to PDF with jadetex make Tex barf with 'out of memory' almost immediately. Maybe this is working but I'm up against the 'TeX memory problem' again? Trying a slightly different tack (as I'm not sure about that -i option): jade -t sgml -ihtml -V html-index generates an index file collateindex put this back into sgml form, then jade -t tex -V html-index pdfjadetex pdfjadetex This produces a sensible size tex file and it processes OK. It even has an index, but most of the page numbers are '?' and the rest are '-999', so that's not quite right. It feels like I'm getting warm.... Trying the above without even -V html-index on the second jade run works a bit better still - now I have about a third of the index page numbers filled in, but only around page 12, pages 70-76 and page 124. Nor do they point to the correct pages :-( Can someone tell me if I'm on the right track so I can try the right things/ask the right questions? Or even better just tell me which rune I need :-) Is it just a matter of changing the second jade run or do I need to generate the index with different options in the first place? thanx muchly. Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <87hf2q5bjm.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 23 Jan 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: > | > Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? > | > | They are on my homepage as well. (It is open source documentation.) > > Fixed. Here's a patch for the impatient :-) > > BTW, Hugo, you've got some typos in that bibliography, > ...<title> where you meant <title>.... Got them fixed. But I need to inspect what I did to hose my setup as HTML file generation now dies using sgmltools-lite. (It worked a few weeks ago but I may have made some other changes I forgot about. in order to get more LDP like output for PS/PDF files.) Hugo. ps: I prefer to get just one message and not two. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From pto@sslug.dk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Stephen Wilhelm wrote: > > Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I > use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a > great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images > not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting > Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel > of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously > unacceptable). > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). To my knowledge db2ps is the show-stopper - I only eats .eps-files. Try the following - Note line no 2. with magic %magic-entities; ]> I include three files here.... I have a makefile, where I do echo '' > magic.sgml if I output pdf or html If I do ps-output, then I have echo '' > magic.sgml Then I use ImageMagick to convert all my png-files to eps if ps-output find images/*.png | sed 's/.png//' | sed 's=images/==' | \ xargs -i% /usr/X11R6/bin/convert -antialias images/%.png eps2:bogps/%.eps Well - It is not that straight-forward, but once you have the setup of the first makefile, then I works. You can see a Makefile in http://cvs.sslug.dk/linuxbog/web/Makefile Best -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "You don't win a battle by asking, `Will we win?' You win it by doing your best to win" - Richard M Stallman LinuxKonference i K????benhavn: http://LinuxForum.dk/ From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name Message-ID: <871ysp6roq.fsf@nwalsh.com> If it's not too much trouble, could I ask the moderator to please change the "presentation name" of this list? DocBook Mailing List This isn't the "DocBook Mailing List", that's docbook@lists.oasis-open.org. This is the "DocBook Tools Discussion" list or some such... Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Who knows whether the best of men be http://nwalsh.com/ | known? or whether there be not more | remarkable persons forgot, than any | that stand remembered in the known | account of time.--Sir Thomas Browne From swilhelm@theriver.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: swilhelm@theriver.com (Stephen Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question Message-ID: Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously unacceptable). So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). Any suggestions? -- Stephen Wilhelm See my Gtk-Perl Tutorial: http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ From pto@sslug.dk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Peter Toft wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Stephen Wilhelm wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I > > use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a > > great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images > > not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting > > Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel > > of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously > > unacceptable). > > > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). > > To my knowledge db2ps is the show-stopper - I only eats > .eps-files. UPS; to get you there you also need to include images like this:
YOUR FIGURE TITLE
SCALE can be dropped - but nice in ps/pdf-output. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "You don't win a battle by asking, `Will we win?' You win it by doing your best to win" - Richard M Stallman LinuxKonference i K????benhavn: http://LinuxForum.dk/ From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook ref-chart References: Message-ID: <3AACB383.A012338@conectiva.com.br> maybe jorge godoy's page at bazar.conectiva.com.br/~godoy Peter Toft wrote: > > Hi friends > > Any of you who has made a reference-chart of the the > most important DocBook tags? E.g. two pages or > something like that? > > The TDG has some 11 pages, but they have all the tags - > I want the important ones + a small example next to the > tag. > > -- > Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto > > Yes I use Linux every day. -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: Message-ID: On Thu 22 Feb, Peter Toft wrote: > I asked about this a year ago, and nobody really could > help me - here goes again: > > Using -- in a screen gives an irritating problem in PS > og PDF-output; look at this one > > > d--x--x--x DIR1 > dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > > The output looks in HTML like this (fine) > d--x--x--x DIR1 > dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a > long minus, i.e. > > d-x-x-x DIR1 > dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > > It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? Does using ‐‐ not work in this context? that's what I used when I noticed this problem (in exactly the same sort of text, of course). Mine are inside tags rather than but I'd hope that wouldn't matter. Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs References: Message-ID: <87bsrt6rt2.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Wookey was heard to say: | I don't quite get how this is supposed to work. The above is essentially what | we are doing for our HTML output (apart from the -V nochunks) and I get an | sgml index file which refers to tags in the HTML output. But | I don't understand how to get from here to a PDF file. The SGML index file doesn't use , it uses , and with the appropriate options you can run this through the print backend and get a print index. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | I'm not tense, I'm just terribly, http://nwalsh.com/ | terribly alert. From joe@swelltech.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: joe@swelltech.com (Joe Cooper) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: pdf output. References: Message-ID: <3A9C3837.7030806@swelltech.com> Thanks so much, Alan, for your quick and detailed fix it instructions. I'll try following them to the letter and see what happens (I learned a few things...like rerunning the pdftex and pdfjadetex scripts...never heard of that one before--but I figured their must be something going on with all the stuff flying by during the RPM install!). Hopefully, I'll have some printable output tonight. Alan W. Irwin wrote: > Hello Joe: > > All I will say about your postscript problem is I suspect an unclean upgrade > (see rpm comments below about how to insure a clean upgrade). The rest of > this post will concentrate on your pdf problems. >--Snipped for brevity--< -- Joe Cooper Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances http://www.swelltech.com From pto@sslug.dk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Paul Webb wrote: > Hi > > I have marked up my document by using the > ... method as described in > 'DocBook: The Definitive Guide' I've also managed to produce an index in the > HTML version of the doc by using collateindex.pl. > > But how do I produce an index in the PDF? Can I use collateindex.pl in > conjunction with some other commands or is there an alternative method? Sure you can; For HTML as well as PS/PDF I use perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index \ -g -i index -N -o index.sgml cp *.sgml tempdir (cd tempdir; jade -t sgml -ihtml -d $(cygnus)\#print \ -V html-index -V nochunks MAIL_FILE.sgml > foo.html) perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index -g -i index \ -o index.sgml tempdir/HTML.index If it bites back mail me again. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto You are not alone. The penguins are everywhere. From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: <3A7ED161.98CDBD4B@conectiva.com.br> Message-ID: <3A7EFC1B.B828A5DE@conectiva.com.br> \renewcommand\SpSOtherBackLeftHeader[1] {\ifx\\#1\\ \let\headrulewidth\Xplainheadrulewidth \else \let\headrulewidth\Xheadrulewidth \fi \Sethead[LE]{#1}{OtherBackLeftHeader} } With this, (workaround) the line will not appears until the chapters begin. So, in the cover page, and in the other thinks, like TOC, this line will not appears. Some sugestion about this jadetex.cfg file? hugs Ricardo wrote: > > Do you like that line, above the header of the page? > > I like ;) > > So, to do this, put this line in your jadetex.cfg file > > \def\headrulewidth{0.5\p@}% > > And you will have that line. > > To do this in the dsl style, it's also possible, but the space between > the "Chapter 1. Blablabla" and the line, will be too big (0.5cm) > > So, do it in the style it's better. > > To create the same line, before the page number, do: > > \def\footrulewidth{0.5\p@}% > > hugs > -- > Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) > LDP-BR - LIE-BR > ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 > > As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - > provocam grandes naufragios. > -- Plutarco -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From ltaesch@europemail.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: ltaesch@europemail.com (luc) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: update Message-ID: <3A976379.4060105@europemail.com> sorry guys, but I havent looked at docbook for a while. so id like a refresh. so 1) is there any stylsheet for db4, or is it still 3.1 the reference one ? 2) if yes, are these stylesheets decsss or xslt ? 3) it yes, which is the recomended parser/processort ? saxon ? xt ? xalan ? 4) pdf : what is the relation with apache fop to latex ? is fop using latex, or just interpret a stylesheet? then , should all the nice algorhytm from latex be ported into a stylsheet , to have such nice page settings ? thanks a lot. Luc From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <87puhe6ufj.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 23 Jan 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: > | Another sample can be found on: > | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html > | > | Which may show it more clearly. (This was generated using a docbook 3.1 > | source.) > > Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? They are on my homepage as well. (It is open source documentation.) Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From twaugh@redhat.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: xmlto (XSL tool-chain frontend) Message-ID: <20011127113208.P15015@redhat.com> I made a package called xmlto. It does for XSL what jw does for DSSSL. Whereas jw is a Jade wrapper, xmlto is a wrapper around the XSL-T processor. It's currently implemented for xsltproc as the XSL-T processor, and passivetex for conversions from XSL-FO. It also converts to man pages uses db2man.xsl, which I have enhanced somewhat (I think the output is comparable to that from docbook2man-spec.pl). Please take a look and let me know if this is a useful tool, or if it needs changing before it becomes useful. http://cyberelk.net/tim/xmlto/ Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From pto@sslug.dk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <877l2h6rqr.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 23 Feb 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Peter Toft was heard to say: > | However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a > | long minus, i.e. > | > | d-x-x-x DIR1 > | dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > | > | It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > | use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > | pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? > > Are you using a recent pdfjadetex? I thought Sebastian fixed this > one long ago? Red Hat 7.0 :: pdfjadetex -v -----> pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.13d kpathsea version 3.3.1 Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "Ford," he said, "you're turning into a penguin. Stop it!" -- HG2TG From dtan@banta.com.sg Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: dtan@banta.com.sg (root) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook RPM on Linux 7.1 Message-ID: <3C215798.2D01D7AD@banta.com.sg> Hi there. Can I install Docbook in my Linux 7.1? Is the docbook file ver 4.1? Thanks in advance From alex@birkett.co.uk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: alex@birkett.co.uk (Alex Birkett) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages Message-ID: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> Hi, I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the bibliography appear at the end of the document? Thanks, Alex From alan@westhagen.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: alan@westhagen.com (Alan Westhagen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: How do I get numbered sections? Message-ID: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> Being new to docbook, I have downloaded a number of HOWTOs and Docbook guides in source form, so that I can study the markup used. When I run docbook2html on these sources, I get usable html output, but it differs from that posted on the web. In particular, the section headings are not numbered and neither are the section references in the table of contents. What am I missing? Is there some parameter to docbook2html that I need to use? or is there some attribute which controls enumeration behavior? -- Alan Westhagen From pto@sslug.dk Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: -- Message-ID: I asked about this a year ago, and nobody really could help me - here goes again: Using -- in a screen gives an irritating problem in PS og PDF-output; look at this one d--x--x--x DIR1 dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 The output looks in HTML like this (fine) d--x--x--x DIR1 dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a long minus, i.e. d-x-x-x DIR1 dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? [System; Red Hat 7.0 with updated tetex-pacages from Tim Waugh ] -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "Unix? What's that? Is that like Linux?" 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It is in the LSB v0.4 spec. http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/spec/lsbsgml.html Also, Rusty Russell reports that he has integrated the 2nd part into FHS v2.2 http://netfilter.filewatcher.org/fhs/fhs-2.2-stage-II-6-Jan-2001.tar.gz http://netfilter.samba.org/fhs/fhs-2.2-stage-II-6-Jan-2001.tar.gz http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/fhs/fhs-2.2-stage-II-6-Jan-2001.tar.gz --------------------------------------------------- Thanks so much to all the package maintainers from the various distributions and all the other people who made this possible. Many people spent a lot of time discussing the proposal, making suggestions, writing code and doc. Thank you. From olea@hispafuentes.com Fri Jan 12 14:40:00 2001 From: olea@hispafuentes.com (olea@hispafuentes.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:40:00 -0000 Subject: (docbook-utils) bug man pages of docbook-utils? References: <200101122228.XAA23539@moe.acticiel.com> Message-ID: <3A5F87E0.71538548@hispafuentes.com> Gregory Leblanc escribi????: > P.S. Future spec files changes will go to other people who actually > want them. Who wants the changes to the spec files that are on > sources.redhat.com? I like the idea of a set of RPM updated and ready in a unified effort, if possible. -- A.Ismael Olea Gonz????lez tlf 914 575 330 mailto:olea@hispafuentes.com From pto@sslug.dk Fri Jan 19 13:50:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:50:00 -0000 Subject: db2pdf: cannot generate system identifier for public text... References: Message-ID: Friends - One of the oldies but goodies :-) I still struggle with the problem that doing a PS og PDF output from my SGML DocBook source could create lines, which a going longer than the right side margin of the paper, e.g. this line could if but then on the other hand you well should look at this URL Depending on the about of "bla bla bla" in from of the the ulink-tag produces code, which lead to my problem. We have tried to cure the problem by invoking http://cvs.sslug.dk/linuxbog/httpsplit.pl - the odd usage of ComMand in there makes it simple to trace where we have changes. The idea in the small Perl program is really to replace http://cvs.sslug.dk/linuxbog/httpsplit.pl with http://cvs.sslug.dk /linuxbog /httpsplit.pl This is a good way - all the line breaks disappear :-) BUT it could be even better if we - in some way - could avoid the additional spaces and get a VERY small space-like character where the line can be broken without the output of the ordinary space. Well - as I told you - it is my old irritating problem, so if you have a better solution that our httpsplit.pl please come forward. Best regards to you all -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "You don't win a battle by asking, `Will we win?' You win it by doing your best to win" - Richard M Stallman LinuxKonference i K????benhavn: http://LinuxForum.dk/ From swilhelm@theriver.com Sat Jan 20 14:11:00 2001 From: swilhelm@theriver.com (Stephen Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:11:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question Message-ID: Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously unacceptable). So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). Any suggestions? -- Stephen Wilhelm See my Gtk-Perl Tutorial: http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ From pto@sslug.dk Sat Jan 20 14:22:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:22:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Stephen Wilhelm wrote: > > Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I > use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a > great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images > not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting > Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel > of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously > unacceptable). > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). To my knowledge db2ps is the show-stopper - I only eats .eps-files. Try the following - Note line no 2. with magic %magic-entities; ]> I include three files here.... I have a makefile, where I do echo '' > magic.sgml if I output pdf or html If I do ps-output, then I have echo '' > magic.sgml Then I use ImageMagick to convert all my png-files to eps if ps-output find images/*.png | sed 's/.png//' | sed 's=images/==' | \ xargs -i% /usr/X11R6/bin/convert -antialias images/%.png eps2:bogps/%.eps Well - It is not that straight-forward, but once you have the setup of the first makefile, then I works. You can see a Makefile in http://cvs.sslug.dk/linuxbog/web/Makefile Best -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "You don't win a battle by asking, `Will we win?' You win it by doing your best to win" - Richard M Stallman LinuxKonference i K????benhavn: http://LinuxForum.dk/ From pto@sslug.dk Sun Jan 21 01:15:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:15:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Peter Toft wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Stephen Wilhelm wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I > > use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a > > great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images > > not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting > > Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel > > of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously > > unacceptable). > > > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). > > To my knowledge db2ps is the show-stopper - I only eats > .eps-files. UPS; to get you there you also need to include images like this:
YOUR FIGURE TITLE
SCALE can be dropped - but nice in ps/pdf-output. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "You don't win a battle by asking, `Will we win?' You win it by doing your best to win" - Richard M Stallman LinuxKonference i K????benhavn: http://LinuxForum.dk/ From alex@birkett.co.uk Sun Jan 21 03:58:00 2001 From: alex@birkett.co.uk (Alex Birkett) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:58:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages Message-ID: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> Hi, I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the bibliography appear at the end of the document? Thanks, Alex From ndw@nwalsh.com Mon Jan 22 06:07:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:07:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> Message-ID: <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: | I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the | bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this | email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the | bibliography appear at the end of the document? I'm not sure I understand. I don't see a bibliography in this document. Do you mean the bibligraphic data (author, department, supervisor and such), or am I confused? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Unless one is a genius, it is best to http://nwalsh.com/ | aim at being intelligible.--Anthony Hope From alex@birkett.co.uk Mon Jan 22 09:12:00 2001 From: alex@birkett.co.uk (Alex Birkett) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:12:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: <001101c08496$3f7ea880$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> I am honoured to receive your email. I will attempt to explain myself more clearly. The page attached to the previous email was the front page generated by jade (db2html). The section titled "references" is a bibliography. The source sgml is included here: References WEB1 <ulink url=" http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/jakarta-tomcat/src/doc/uguide/tomcat_u g.html"></ulink> Tomcat - A Minimalistic User's Guide The bibliography is placed at the end of the sgml source document (I don't think that this makes much difference anyway). BTW db2pdf places the bibliography at the end of the document as I wish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Walsh" To: "Alex Birkett" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages > / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: > | I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the > | bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this > | email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the > | bibliography appear at the end of the document? > > I'm not sure I understand. I don't see a bibliography in this document. > Do you mean the bibligraphic data (author, department, supervisor and > such), or am I confused? > > Be seeing you, > norm > > -- > Norman Walsh | Unless one is a genius, it is best to > http://nwalsh.com/ | aim at being intelligible.--Anthony Hope > From ndw@nwalsh.com Mon Jan 22 12:28:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:28:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <001e01c083a1$470d4840$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> <001101c08496$3f7ea880$2a00a8c0@blitzkreg> Message-ID: <87vgr7ib79.fsf@nwalsh.com> / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: | The bibliography is placed at the end of the sgml source document (I don't | think that this makes much difference anyway). BTW db2pdf places the | bibliography at the end of the document as I wish. Judging by the table of contents in your HTML document: Table of Contents Revised Aims and Objectives Progress to date Achieved objectives Work in Progress Revised Gantt Chart References it looks like References occurs at the end of the HTML. I'm still confused. What's incorrect about the HTML placement? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | All professional men are handicapped by http://nwalsh.com/ | not being allowed to ignore things | which are useless.--Goethe From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Mon Jan 22 12:30:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:30:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <873debznn8.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / "Alex Birkett" was heard to say: > | I use db2html to publish a DocBook document. A problem I have is that the > | bibliography is rendered on the front page. The page is attached to this > | email (the bibliography is titled references). Is there a way to make the > | bibliography appear at the end of the document? > > I'm not sure I understand. I don't see a bibliography in this document. > Do you mean the bibligraphic data (author, department, supervisor and > such), or am I confused? Norm, I think he means: References [WEB1]???? http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/jakarta-tomcat/src/doc/uguide/tomcat_ug html Tomcat - A Minimalistic User's Guide. Another sample can be found on: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html Which may show it more clearly. (This was generated using a docbook 3.1 source.) Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From smith@xml-doc.org Mon Jan 22 22:42:00 2001 From: smith@xml-doc.org (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:42:00 -0000 Subject: ANN: Emacs WYSIWYG CALS table generator Message-ID: Just made available: a new release of a WYSIWYG table editor for GNU Emacs and XEmacs, with support added for generating XML source compliant with the OASIS Exchange subset of the CALS table model (used in DocBook and in some other DTDs)[1]. The editor -- v1.5.16 of the Emacs lisp package table.el created by Takaaki (Tak) Ota -- can be dowloaded at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=14137&release_id=21474 Details and screenshots are available at: http://table.sourceforge.net/ Along with the newly added CALS support, other notable features: * can generate HTML 3.2-compliant tables too * also useful for embedding tables in any text document: in comments in code or e-mail, for example -- not just for XML/SGML/HTML * like Emacs itself, can be used even in a non-Windowing/GUI environment (for example, over a Telnet/tty connection) * support for generating LaTeX tables is in the works The table.el site also provides a number of supporting Sourceforge features, including links to table.el mailing lists (for bugs and requests) and an interface for submitting table.el bug reports. But not a CALS or HTML rendering/display engine --------------------------------------------------------------------- Though table.el generates CALS and HTML source, it doesn't render/ display either CALS or HTML tables. Ota considers source rendering out of scope for table.el, and has no plans to ever offer integrated rendering. However, he has said he is very much willing to collaborate with developers working on rendering packages (such as w3 mode for Emacs) and working with them on package interoperablity to enable "round tripping" of tables in Emacs. By the way, though table.el itself contains extensive documentation -- and is easy enough to use that you don't really need the docs much -- I'll be helping to create a Texinfo file for it, so feel free to send comments or suggestions for the documentation to me. --Mike Smith [1] For those familiar with the CALS table model ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The XML source generated by table.el will validate either against the "full" CALS model or the OASIS Exchange XML subset, as described in OASIS Technical Memorandum TR9901:1999: http://www.oasis-open.org/html/tm9901.htm This means that the XML source generated by table.el: * specifies horizontal spans by placing namest="" and nameend="" attributes on elements, instead of elements * never contains elements However, compliant with OASIS Exchange subset, table.el _does_ enable you to specify how many (zero or more) 's of the generated source should be wrapped in a element. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael Smith mailto:smith@xml-doc.org xml-doc http://www.xml-doc.org/ From ndw@nwalsh.com Tue Jan 23 09:38:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:38:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: Message-ID: <87puhe6ufj.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: | Another sample can be found on: | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html | | Which may show it more clearly. (This was generated using a docbook 3.1 | source.) Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | It is seldom that any liberty is lost http://nwalsh.com/ | all at once.--David Hume From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Tue Jan 23 10:15:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:15:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <87puhe6ufj.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 23 Jan 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: > | Another sample can be found on: > | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/Netscape_and_OpenLDAP_v2/netscape-and-openldap-v2.html > | > | Which may show it more clearly. (This was generated using a docbook 3.1 > | source.) > > Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? They are on my homepage as well. (It is open source documentation.) Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From ndw@nwalsh.com Tue Jan 23 11:11:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:11:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: Message-ID: <87hf2q5bjm.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: | > Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? | | They are on my homepage as well. (It is open source documentation.) Fixed. Here's a patch for the impatient :-) BTW, Hugo, you've got some typos in that bibliography, ...<title> where you meant <title>.... hermes:/share/dsssl/docbook/html$ cvs diff cvs diff: Diffing . Index: dbbibl.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /share/cvs/dbdsssl/html/dbbibl.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -r1.2 dbbibl.dsl 59a60,70 > (element (article bibliography) > (let ((title (element-title-sosofo (current-node))) > (body (make sequence > (make element gi: "A" > attributes: (list (list "NAME" (element-id))) > (empty-sosofo)) > ($component-separator$) > ($component-title$) > (bibliography-content)))) > (html-document title body))) > Index: dbchunk.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /share/cvs/dbdsssl/html/dbchunk.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -r1.2 dbchunk.dsl 70c70 < ;; occur in book. --- > ;; occur in book or article. 75c75,76 < (not (equal? (gi (parent nd)) (normalize "book")))) --- > (not (or (equal? (gi (parent nd)) (normalize "book")) > (equal? (gi (parent nd)) (normalize "article"))))) Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Perhaps, but let's not get bogged down http://nwalsh.com/ | in semantics.--Homer J. Simpson, BABF07 From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Tue Jan 23 12:29:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:29:00 -0000 Subject: db2html publishes bibliography on front pages References: <87hf2q5bjm.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 23 Jan 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl was heard to say: > | > Whoa! That's bizarre. Can you send me the SGML sources for this? > | > | They are on my homepage as well. (It is open source documentation.) > > Fixed. Here's a patch for the impatient :-) > > BTW, Hugo, you've got some typos in that bibliography, > ...<title> where you meant <title>.... Got them fixed. But I need to inspect what I did to hose my setup as HTML file generation now dies using sgmltools-lite. (It worked a few weeks ago but I may have made some other changes I forgot about. in order to get more LDP like output for PS/PDF files.) Hugo. ps: I prefer to get just one message and not two. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From e.bischoff@noos.fr Wed Jan 31 03:10:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:10:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: <01013112191908.00703@s010.strasbourg-251.cybercable.fr> Le Samedi 20 Janvier 2001 16:17, Stephen Wilhelm a ????crit : > Hello everyone. I have a DocBook document that has some images in it. I > use the Cygnus tools to publish the SGML sources. Now, db2html does a > great job, but db2ps and db2pdf gives some LaTeX errors about gif images > not being supported. I switched to jpeg images, but the resulting > Postscript and PDF files look absolutely horrible (in one case, each pixel > of the image was rendered as a 50 pixel block, which is obviously > unacceptable). > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). > > Any suggestions? Yes. In DocBook 4.0, has been introduced to allow you have the same picture (or anything else) in several formats at the same time. So the kind of tricks as proposed by Peter are only necessary for DocBook up to version 3.1 (I also proposed similar things at that time on this list). The complete syntax for is explained on http://www.caldera.de/~eric/crash-course/HTML . From swilhelm@theriver.com Wed Jan 31 21:25:00 2001 From: swilhelm@theriver.com (Stephen Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:25:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: <01013112191908.00703@s010.strasbourg-251.cybercable.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Eric Bischoff wrote: > Le Samedi 20 Janvier 2001 16:17, Stephen Wilhelm a ????crit : [snip] > > So, does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get gif's or jpeg's > > working? If not, is there another image format that I should consider? > > The only thing I would require from another format would be that it must > > work with web browsers as well (so no eps files). > > > > Any suggestions? > > In DocBook 4.0, has been introduced to allow you have the same > picture (or anything else) in several formats at the same time. This works great! I just have to change my makefile to convert my png's to my preferred image format. Thanks a lot. BTW, it appears that exists in 3.1, since its documented in my DocBook book (which only covers 3.1, though it mentions likely changes in future versions). -- Stephen Wilhelm See my Gtk-Perl Tutorial: http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Mon Feb 5 08:17:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:17:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: Message-ID: <3A7ED161.98CDBD4B@conectiva.com.br> Do you like that line, above the header of the page? I like ;) So, to do this, put this line in your jadetex.cfg file \def\headrulewidth{0.5\p@}% And you will have that line. To do this in the dsl style, it's also possible, but the space between the "Chapter 1. Blablabla" and the line, will be too big (0.5cm) So, do it in the style it's better. To create the same line, before the page number, do: \def\footrulewidth{0.5\p@}% hugs -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Mon Feb 5 11:19:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:19:00 -0000 Subject: Graphics image question References: <3A7ED161.98CDBD4B@conectiva.com.br> Message-ID: <3A7EFC1B.B828A5DE@conectiva.com.br> \renewcommand\SpSOtherBackLeftHeader[1] {\ifx\\#1\\ \let\headrulewidth\Xplainheadrulewidth \else \let\headrulewidth\Xheadrulewidth \fi \Sethead[LE]{#1}{OtherBackLeftHeader} } With this, (workaround) the line will not appears until the chapters begin. So, in the cover page, and in the other thinks, like TOC, this line will not appears. Some sugestion about this jadetex.cfg file? hugs Ricardo wrote: > > Do you like that line, above the header of the page? > > I like ;) > > So, to do this, put this line in your jadetex.cfg file > > \def\headrulewidth{0.5\p@}% > > And you will have that line. > > To do this in the dsl style, it's also possible, but the space between > the "Chapter 1. Blablabla" and the line, will be too big (0.5cm) > > So, do it in the style it's better. > > To create the same line, before the page number, do: > > \def\footrulewidth{0.5\p@}% > > hugs > -- > Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) > LDP-BR - LIE-BR > ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 > > As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - > provocam grandes naufragios. > -- Plutarco -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From gleblanc@cu-portland.edu Thu Feb 15 10:10:00 2001 From: gleblanc@cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:10:00 -0000 Subject: troubles and getting help Message-ID: <20422c9ead228ed778f690efb94e6120@NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org> Which list is the right one to get help when using the new tools? I have a few problems with it, plus a few feature requests I'd like to see implemented. So, do I want the list at conectiva, or the list at sources.redhat.com? Greg From paul.webb@argonet.co.uk Thu Feb 22 01:54:00 2001 From: paul.webb@argonet.co.uk (Paul Webb) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:54:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs Message-ID: Hi I have marked up my document by using the ... method as described in 'DocBook: The Definitive Guide' I've also managed to produce an index in the HTML version of the doc by using collateindex.pl. But how do I produce an index in the PDF? Can I use collateindex.pl in conjunction with some other commands or is there an alternative method? Thanks in advance for your help. Paul. P.S. I'm using: jade v1.2.1-16 sp 1.3.4-1.2.1-16 cygnus stylesheets 0.10.2-2 docbase 0.7.8 sgml-base 1.2.1 -- From pto@sslug.dk Thu Feb 22 13:07:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:07:00 -0000 Subject: -- Message-ID: I asked about this a year ago, and nobody really could help me - here goes again: Using -- in a screen gives an irritating problem in PS og PDF-output; look at this one d--x--x--x DIR1 dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 The output looks in HTML like this (fine) d--x--x--x DIR1 dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a long minus, i.e. d-x-x-x DIR1 dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? [System; Red Hat 7.0 with updated tetex-pacages from Tim Waugh ] -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "Unix? What's that? Is that like Linux?" From pto@sslug.dk Thu Feb 22 13:28:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:28:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Paul Webb wrote: > Hi > > I have marked up my document by using the > ... method as described in > 'DocBook: The Definitive Guide' I've also managed to produce an index in the > HTML version of the doc by using collateindex.pl. > > But how do I produce an index in the PDF? Can I use collateindex.pl in > conjunction with some other commands or is there an alternative method? Sure you can; For HTML as well as PS/PDF I use perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index \ -g -i index -N -o index.sgml cp *.sgml tempdir (cd tempdir; jade -t sgml -ihtml -d $(cygnus)\#print \ -V html-index -V nochunks MAIL_FILE.sgml > foo.html) perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index -g -i index \ -o index.sgml tempdir/HTML.index If it bites back mail me again. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto You are not alone. The penguins are everywhere. From twaugh@redhat.com Thu Feb 22 14:07:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:07:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: Message-ID: <20010222220645.D1106@redhat.com> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Peter Toft wrote: > It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? It's also plain wrong for (for example) a document contains a snippet of SGML. For a work-around, see , but it would be marvellous if this could be fixed somehow. Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6lY10ONXnILZ4yVIRAhgmAKCqlbbLLpKCYUyw+YcGBPHOwnnoJQCgo12h zONhvw0nEdQ00yjKN98TswY= =jW55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Fri Feb 23 07:53:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:53:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: Message-ID: On Thu 22 Feb, Peter Toft wrote: > I asked about this a year ago, and nobody really could > help me - here goes again: > > Using -- in a screen gives an irritating problem in PS > og PDF-output; look at this one > > > d--x--x--x DIR1 > dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > > The output looks in HTML like this (fine) > d--x--x--x DIR1 > dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a > long minus, i.e. > > d-x-x-x DIR1 > dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > > It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? Does using ‐‐ not work in this context? that's what I used when I noticed this problem (in exactly the same sort of text, of course). Mine are inside tags rather than but I'd hope that wouldn't matter. Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Fri Feb 23 09:08:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:08:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs References: Message-ID: On Thu 22 Feb, Peter Toft wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Paul Webb wrote: for clarity - I'm working with Paul Webb on the same docs > > I have marked up my document by using the > > ... method as described in > > 'DocBook: The Definitive Guide' I've also managed to produce an index in the > > HTML version of the doc by using collateindex.pl. > > But how do I produce an index in the PDF? Can I use collateindex.pl in > > conjunction with some other commands or is there an alternative method? > Sure you can; > For HTML as well as PS/PDF I use > perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index \ > -g -i index -N -o index.sgml > cp *.sgml tempdir > (cd tempdir; jade -t sgml -ihtml -d $(cygnus)\#print \ > -V html-index -V nochunks MAIL_FILE.sgml > foo.html) > perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index -g -i index \ > -o index.sgml tempdir/HTML.index > If it bites back mail me again. I don't quite get how this is supposed to work. The above is essentially what we are doing for our HTML output (apart from the -V nochunks) and I get an sgml index file which refers to tags in the HTML output. But I don't understand how to get from here to a PDF file. The nub seems to be jade -t sgml -ihtml -Vhtml-index generates an index file collateindex put this back into sgml form, then jade -t sgml -ihtml reprocesses the original including the index on the end into indexed html. So is the equivalent for pdf as follows:? jade -t sgml -ihtml -Vhtml-index generates an index file collateindex put this back into sgml form, then jade -t tex -ihtml pdfjadetex pdfjadetex pdfjadetex ie I just change the backend type? And what does that -i option do? /usr/doc/jade doesn't seem to mention it, but it appears to be important. If not do I need different index-generating options -i and -V If I just try the above then I get a 5M tex file (instead of the 1Mb I was previously getting) and attempting to process it to PDF with jadetex make Tex barf with 'out of memory' almost immediately. Maybe this is working but I'm up against the 'TeX memory problem' again? Trying a slightly different tack (as I'm not sure about that -i option): jade -t sgml -ihtml -V html-index generates an index file collateindex put this back into sgml form, then jade -t tex -V html-index pdfjadetex pdfjadetex This produces a sensible size tex file and it processes OK. It even has an index, but most of the page numbers are '?' and the rest are '-999', so that's not quite right. It feels like I'm getting warm.... Trying the above without even -V html-index on the second jade run works a bit better still - now I have about a third of the index page numbers filled in, but only around page 12, pages 70-76 and page 124. Nor do they point to the correct pages :-( Can someone tell me if I'm on the right track so I can try the right things/ask the right questions? Or even better just tell me which rune I need :-) Is it just a matter of changing the second jade run or do I need to generate the index with different options in the first place? thanx muchly. Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From ndw@nwalsh.com Fri Feb 23 12:58:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:58:00 -0000 Subject: Indexes in PDF docs References: Message-ID: <87bsrt6rt2.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Wookey was heard to say: | I don't quite get how this is supposed to work. The above is essentially what | we are doing for our HTML output (apart from the -V nochunks) and I get an | sgml index file which refers to tags in the HTML output. But | I don't understand how to get from here to a PDF file. The SGML index file doesn't use , it uses , and with the appropriate options you can run this through the print backend and get a print index. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | I'm not tense, I'm just terribly, http://nwalsh.com/ | terribly alert. From ndw@nwalsh.com Fri Feb 23 12:59:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:59:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: Message-ID: <877l2h6rqr.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Peter Toft was heard to say: | However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a | long minus, i.e. | | d-x-x-x DIR1 | dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 | | It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I | use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick | pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? Are you using a recent pdfjadetex? I thought Sebastian fixed this one long ago? Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | There has never been a perfect http://nwalsh.com/ | government, because men have passions; | and if they did not have passions, | there would be no need for | government.--Voltaire From ndw@nwalsh.com Fri Feb 23 13:00:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:00:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name Message-ID: <871ysp6roq.fsf@nwalsh.com> If it's not too much trouble, could I ask the moderator to please change the "presentation name" of this list? DocBook Mailing List This isn't the "DocBook Mailing List", that's docbook@lists.oasis-open.org. This is the "DocBook Tools Discussion" list or some such... Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Who knows whether the best of men be http://nwalsh.com/ | known? or whether there be not more | remarkable persons forgot, than any | that stand remembered in the known | account of time.--Sir Thomas Browne From dereks@realloc.net Fri Feb 23 13:56:00 2001 From: dereks@realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:56:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name References: <871ysp6roq.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: -> If it's not too much trouble, could I ask the moderator to please -> change the "presentation name" of this list? -> -> DocBook Mailing List -> -> This isn't the "DocBook Mailing List", that's docbook@lists.oasis-open.org. -> This is the "DocBook Tools Discussion" list or some such... While we're at it, a bracketed subject prefix would be nice, i.e.: [DTD] Subject here It makes life easier for those of us who manually read through our mails each day. It also makes it a little easier to set up sorting filters in most email programs. Thanks, Derek Simkowiak From Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl Fri Feb 23 14:22:00 2001 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:22:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > -> If it's not too much trouble, could I ask the moderator to please > -> change the "presentation name" of this list? > -> > -> DocBook Mailing List > -> > -> This isn't the "DocBook Mailing List", that's docbook@lists.oasis-open.org. > -> This is the "DocBook Tools Discussion" list or some such... > > While we're at it, a bracketed subject prefix would be nice, i.e.: > > [DTD] Subject here > > > It makes life easier for those of us who manually read through our > mails each day. It also makes it a little easier to set up sorting > filters in most email programs. I counted about 8 lines added by the mailinglist software. Should be enough for half a dozen filters. And I don't like to waste Subject line space to mailinglist info. Iy usually becomes messy as soon as you respond. Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- This message has not been checked and may contain harmfull content. From pto@sslug.dk Fri Feb 23 14:25:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:25:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <877l2h6rqr.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: On 23 Feb 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Peter Toft was heard to say: > | However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a > | long minus, i.e. > | > | d-x-x-x DIR1 > | dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > | > | It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > | use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > | pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? > > Are you using a recent pdfjadetex? I thought Sebastian fixed this > one long ago? Red Hat 7.0 :: pdfjadetex -v -----> pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.13d kpathsea version 3.3.1 Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "Ford," he said, "you're turning into a penguin. Stop it!" -- HG2TG From dereks@realloc.net Fri Feb 23 14:59:00 2001 From: dereks@realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:59:00 -0000 Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA: change list "presentation" name References: Message-ID: -> And I don't like to waste Subject line space to mailinglist info. Iy -> usually becomes messy as soon as you respond. This is my last message on this subject. If you want to reply to me, please do so privately. Re: line space: it's 5 characters. Most of the lists I'm subscribed to (mostly Open Source projects) have some such prefix, and it really does help. It helps me, anyway. Second: Mailman and Majordomo both support the idea of a prefix; i.e., the prefix is not added on every time somebody replies. The prefix will only appear once for each message. On all the lists I maintain we have a prefix, and nobody's complained about them. Obviously, it's always up to the list maintainer, I was just throwing the request out there. --Derek From ltaesch@europemail.com Fri Feb 23 22:34:00 2001 From: ltaesch@europemail.com (luc) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:34:00 -0000 Subject: update Message-ID: <3A976379.4060105@europemail.com> sorry guys, but I havent looked at docbook for a while. so id like a refresh. so 1) is there any stylsheet for db4, or is it still 3.1 the reference one ? 2) if yes, are these stylesheets decsss or xslt ? 3) it yes, which is the recomended parser/processort ? saxon ? xt ? xalan ? 4) pdf : what is the relation with apache fop to latex ? is fop using latex, or just interpret a stylesheet? then , should all the nice algorhytm from latex be ported into a stylsheet , to have such nice page settings ? thanks a lot. Luc From sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Sat Feb 24 05:46:00 2001 From: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:46:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <877l2h6rqr.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: <14998.58271.566093.281098@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Norman Walsh writes: > | However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a > | long minus, i.e. > | > | d-x-x-x DIR1 > | dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > | > | It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > | use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > | pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? > > Are you using a recent pdfjadetex? I thought Sebastian fixed this > one long ago? And I thought it was fixed in Jade itself... its essential insoluble in jadetex, as the -- translation to - is the font metrics. Sebastian From pto@sslug.dk Sat Feb 24 14:02:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:02:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <14998.58271.566093.281098@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Norman Walsh writes: > > | However PS/PDF sees two consequtive minus-signs as a > > | long minus, i.e. > > | > > | d-x-x-x DIR1 > > | dr-xr-xr-x DIR2 > > | > > | It really looks stupid for directory-listings- can I > > | use a trick to get out of this situation - or trick > > | pdfjadetex to not combine two minus-signs? > > > > Are you using a recent pdfjadetex? I thought Sebastian fixed this > > one long ago? > > And I thought it was fixed in Jade itself... its essential insoluble > in jadetex, as the -- translation to - is the font metrics. Then the "-" -> "‐" is the way to proceed - only translated within -tags. Have to make a Perl-hack for this :-) -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "I don't think Microsoft is evil in itself; I just think that they make really crappy operating systems." -- Linus Torvalds From twaugh@redhat.com Sat Feb 24 15:56:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:56:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <14998.58271.566093.281098@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20010224235529.K13721@redhat.com> On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:21:36PM +0100, Peter Toft wrote: > Then the "-" -> "‐" is the way to proceed - only > translated within -tags. Have to make a > Perl-hack for this :-) You'll also have to hack '>>', which suffers from a similar affliction. Surely the fix is to get better TeX output generated in the first place? Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6mEnwONXnILZ4yVIRAsRUAJ9zXQlmI/UarhWNzEdYsC1egPCRyACeJH0e UqdEcGGEOs6DzkJ/72LTYl0= =HRGY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Sun Feb 25 08:02:00 2001 From: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:02:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <14998.58271.566093.281098@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <20010224235529.K13721@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15000.20125.244533.118626@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Tim Waugh writes: > > You'll also have to hack '>>', which suffers from a similar > affliction. > > Surely the fix is to get better TeX output generated in the first > place? indeed. you need to generate -{}-, etc. I thought someone had done all this ages ago. the alternative is to hack the TeX font metrics, cursing Don Knuth as you go. sebastian From joe@swelltech.com Tue Feb 27 10:25:00 2001 From: joe@swelltech.com (Joe Cooper) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:25:00 -0000 Subject: pdf output. Message-ID: <3A9BF149.7040607@swelltech.com> Ok...I've seen this discussed innumerable times on the list. And a search of the archives reveals lots of similar queries and problems. But no presented solutions have worked for me, and I'm reaching a state of mind most akin to 'banging head on wall'. I've tried this on both RH6.2 and RH7. I've used the older db2pdf utilities as well as the latest docbook2pdf (from http://sources.redhat.com/docbook-tools/new-trials ). Both will produce HTML output fine. However, both fail in different ways to produce a pdf file. I've seen the suggestion to modify some values in the texmf.cnf file...however, I found that the values in a default Red Hat install are already larger than or equal to the ones suggested by Eric. Further, error logs (when they are generated in attempting PS output) indicate that those limits are not being hit, or anywhere near it. I've tried doing the very simplest thing I could manage (Eric's helloworld.docbook example) and it fails as well. docbook2pdf hello.docbook generates the following: Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-4.1.cat Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.6/docbook-utils.dsl#print Working on: /home/joe/swelldocs/webmin/hello.docbook This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) Any suggestions? What do I have to do to make this work? BTW-Postscript output worked, up to about page 78 of my 200 page doc, until I upgraded to the docbook2 tools...now it fails with a heap of Reference errors even on the tiny hello document, as well as 'No file hello.aux.', as well as some errors in a .log file. The errors in the .log file indicate a few "Reference" errors, but the interesting bit is that at the end of the log, it is very clear that TeX is not running out of memory/buffers/whatever...all of the various numbers are quite a bit less than the max. Thanks. -- Joe Cooper Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances http://www.swelltech.com From irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca Tue Feb 27 14:58:00 2001 From: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:58:00 -0000 Subject: pdf output. References: <3A9BF149.7040607@swelltech.com> Message-ID: Hello Joe: All I will say about your postscript problem is I suspect an unclean upgrade (see rpm comments below about how to insure a clean upgrade). The rest of this post will concentrate on your pdf problems. First, the site which you quoted in your message gives URL not found for me. I use ftp://sourceware.cygnus.com/pub/docbook-tools/new-trials . I just visited there today and brought my rpm package files up to date and installed all the latest versions that had changed. Here is the exact list of rpm package files which I currently have installed on my system. docbook-dtd31-sgml-1.0-6.noarch.rpm jade-1.2.1-6.i386.rpm docbook-dtd41-sgml-1.0-6.noarch.rpm jadetex-2.20-6.noarch.rpm docbook-dtd41-xml-1.0-3.noarch.rpm perl-SGMLSpm-1.03ii-3.noarch.rpm docbook-style-dsssl-1.61-1.noarch.rpm sgml-common-0.6.1-1.noarch.rpm docbook-utils-0.6.6-1.noarch.rpm Make sure before you install all this stuff that all other docbook stuff has been completely cleaned out. **You cannot use a mixture of these cygnus new-trials rpms and vanilla RedHat 6.2 rpm's.** Furthermore, even when you uninstall old rpm's, there may be left over files around which could be screwing you up. So once you uninstall everything look in the standard docbook directories (use rpm -ql on the above packages to see what those directories are) to make sure they are really empty. Once that is verified, then use rpm -i *.rpm to install all these rpm's at once. rpm is smart enough to figure out the dependencies if there are multiple package files on the command line (e.g., *.rpm). With a clean install of these rpm's I have no trouble generating pdf documents (in one case with 180 pages) on my RH 6.2 system. Also, IIRC, the (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) message you get *is* the result of lack of resources for pdf generation. I find that the following set of resources in the texmf.cnf file work well for me. Note the two different suffixes on the variables for jadetex and psfjadetex resources. hash_extra.jadetex = 32500 hash_extra.pdfjadetex = 32500 pool_size.jadetex = 500000 pool_size.pdfjadetex = 500000 string_vacancies.jadetex = 45000 string_vacancies.pdfjadetex = 45000 max_strings.jadetex = 58500 max_strings.pdfjadetex = 58500 pool_free.jadetex = 47500 pool_free.pdfjadetex = 47500 nest_size.jadetex = 500 nest_size.pdfjadetex = 500 param_size.jadetex = 1500 param_size.pdfjadetex = 1500 save_size.jadetex = 10000 save_size.pdfjadetex = 10000 stack_size.jadetex = 1500 stack_size.pdfjadetex = 1500 extra_mem_bot.jadetex = 85000 extra_mem_bot.pdfjadetex = 85000 Once these values are in your texmf.cnf file, then run texhash and fmtutil appropriately to make new jadetex and pdfjadetex executables with the new resources. do rpm -qp --scripts jadetex-2.20-6.noarch.rpm to see how to run these programmes *for the special case of jadetex and pdfjadetex*. (Of course if you have installed jadetex after you have changed texmf.cnf, then these programmes were executed with the right texmf.cnf, and there is nothing more to do.) If you follow these directions, I don't think you should have any further trouble with pdf. It has been working well for me for several months now and through several minor upgrades (as I did today just to make sure nothing bad had been introduced for my 180-page document) of the Cygnus packages. Alan W. Irwin email: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca phone: 250-727-2902 FAX: 250-721-7715 snail-mail: Dr. Alan W. Irwin Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria, P.O. Box 3055, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, V8W 3P6 __________________________ Linux-powered astrophysics __________________________ On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Joe Cooper wrote: > Ok...I've seen this discussed innumerable times on the list. And a > search of the archives reveals lots of similar queries and problems. > But no presented solutions have worked for me, and I'm reaching a state > of mind most akin to 'banging head on wall'. > > I've tried this on both RH6.2 and RH7. I've used the older db2pdf > utilities as well as the latest docbook2pdf (from > http://sources.redhat.com/docbook-tools/new-trials ). Both will produce > HTML output fine. However, both fail in different ways to produce a pdf > file. > > I've seen the suggestion to modify some values in the texmf.cnf > file...however, I found that the values in a default Red Hat install are > already larger than or equal to the ones suggested by Eric. Further, > error logs (when they are generated in attempting PS output) indicate > that those limits are not being hit, or anywhere near it. > > I've tried doing the very simplest thing I could manage (Eric's > helloworld.docbook example) and it fails as well. > > docbook2pdf hello.docbook generates the following: > > Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-4.1.cat > Using stylesheet: > /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.6/docbook-utils.dsl#print > Working on: /home/joe/swelldocs/webmin/hello.docbook > This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) > (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) > > Any suggestions? What do I have to do to make this work? > > BTW-Postscript output worked, up to about page 78 of my 200 page doc, > until I upgraded to the docbook2 tools...now it fails with a heap of > Reference errors even on the tiny hello document, as well as 'No file > hello.aux.', as well as some errors in a .log file. The errors in the > .log file indicate a few "Reference" errors, but the interesting bit is > that at the end of the log, it is very clear that TeX is not running out > of memory/buffers/whatever...all of the various numbers are quite a bit > less than the max. > > Thanks. > -- > Joe Cooper > Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances > http://www.swelltech.com > > From joe@swelltech.com Tue Feb 27 15:25:00 2001 From: joe@swelltech.com (Joe Cooper) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:25:00 -0000 Subject: pdf output. References: Message-ID: <3A9C3837.7030806@swelltech.com> Thanks so much, Alan, for your quick and detailed fix it instructions. I'll try following them to the letter and see what happens (I learned a few things...like rerunning the pdftex and pdfjadetex scripts...never heard of that one before--but I figured their must be something going on with all the stuff flying by during the RPM install!). Hopefully, I'll have some printable output tonight. Alan W. Irwin wrote: > Hello Joe: > > All I will say about your postscript problem is I suspect an unclean upgrade > (see rpm comments below about how to insure a clean upgrade). The rest of > this post will concentrate on your pdf problems. >--Snipped for brevity--< -- Joe Cooper Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances http://www.swelltech.com From pto@sslug.dk Wed Feb 28 14:27:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:27:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <20010224235529.K13721@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:21:36PM +0100, Peter Toft wrote: > > > Then the "-" -> "‐" is the way to proceed - only > > translated within -tags. Have to make a > > Perl-hack for this :-) > > You'll also have to hack '>>', which suffers from a similar > affliction. > > Surely the fix is to get better TeX output generated in the first > place? HELP - This sucks. I did replace all my "--" entries with "‐‐" in my SGML code, and the -sections look terrible, since the ‐ is rendered with a font, which is much wider than the mono-spaced font used in the -section. So drxw------ DIR -rwxrwxrwx FILE Looks like drxw------------ DIR <---cannot show loooong dashes :-) -rwxrwxrwx FILE in the PDF - alignment is bad. AND -rw-r‐‐r‐‐ is actually rendeded as -rw-r----r---- Yes ‐‐ gives four dashes.... I have a problem, since I have a book to finish next week and promised the publisher a PDF-file ready to print. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto Check you back - penguins approaching..... From twaugh@redhat.com Thu Mar 1 01:19:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:19:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <20010224235529.K13721@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010301091916.C13721@redhat.com> > I did replace all my "--" entries with "‐‐" I've had better luck with —. Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6nhQTONXnILZ4yVIRAo/mAJ9EZsw9KZMZnTd9H+XF5d58CVT/HQCeNtMm FgOQkAZo9kIIhn9fEx5ZLwU= =X/Ky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Thu Mar 1 07:38:00 2001 From: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:38:00 -0000 Subject: -- References: <20010224235529.K13721@redhat.com> Message-ID: <15006.27910.719892.346442@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Peter Toft writes: > I did replace all my "--" entries with "‐‐" > in my SGML code, and the -sections look bad idea. replace them "-DASHDASH-", and the replace that with -{}- in the .tex file sebastian From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Fri Mar 2 06:10:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:10:00 -0000 Subject: bug in docbook LOT Message-ID: <3A9FA886.6FAB90A8@conectiva.com.br> This Function, causes a bug. The
inside a list (orderedlist,variablelist...) doesn't appears in List of Figures. In dbautoc.dsl (define (build-lot nd lotgi #!optional (first? #t)) (let* ((lotlist (node-list-filter-by-gi (children nd) (append (division-element-list) (component-element-list) (section-element-list) (block-element-list) (list-element-list) (list (normalize "para")))))) (if (node-list-empty? lotlist) (empty-sosofo) (make sequence (lot-title first? lotgi) (let loop ((nl lotlist)) (if (node-list-empty? nl) (empty-sosofo) (make sequence (if (string=? (gi (node-list-first nl)) lotgi) ($lot-entry$ (node-list-first nl)) (empty-sosofo)) (build-lot (node-list-first nl) lotgi #f) (loop (node-list-rest nl))))))))) Using this, fix the bug (define (build-lot nd lotgi #!optional (first? #t)) (let* ((lotlist (select-elements (descendants nd) (normalize lotgi)))) (if (node-list-empty? lotlist) (empty-sosofo) (make sequence (lot-title first? lotgi) (let loop ((nl lotlist)) (if (node-list-empty? nl) (empty-sosofo) (make sequence (if (string=? (gi (node-list-first nl)) lotgi) ($lot-entry$ (node-list-first nl)) (empty-sosofo)) (build-lot (node-list-first nl) lotgi #f) (loop (node-list-rest nl))))))))) hugs -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From sw@swsales.com Mon Mar 5 16:45:00 2001 From: sw@swsales.com (sw@swsales.com) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:45:00 -0000 Subject: Manufacturing Production and Order Tracking Software for $1495.00 Message-ID: <200103051906.LAA01283@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> SUBJECT LINE: Held over for $1,495.00! Manufacturing Production And Control Software! A short time ago we sent you a special E Mail offer for Job Master, a complete, user friendly Windows based software package which can manage and control your operation from sales quote to shipment for a total price of $1,495.00 if purchased by January 29. 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Again, if you have any questions at all, or would like to place your order, please call me on my direct line, (661) 286-0053. Thank you! Mario Chavez Vice President of Sales and Marketing Link It, Inc. From pto@sslug.dk Fri Mar 9 14:03:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:03:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook ref-chart Message-ID: Hi friends Any of you who has made a reference-chart of the the most important DocBook tags? E.g. two pages or something like that? The TDG has some 11 pages, but they have all the tags - I want the important ones + a small example next to the tag. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto Yes I use Linux every day. From wbrooks@lug.ee.calpoly.edu Fri Mar 9 18:04:00 2001 From: wbrooks@lug.ee.calpoly.edu (Bill Brooks) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:04:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook tools and XML Message-ID: Hi, I can't seem to find the message in the archives, but I seem to recall someone saying on this list that there was a new version of the DocBook tools available that allowed one to write using the XML version of the DocBook DTD and still use the mature DSSSL stylesheets with DocBook tools to produce HTML, PDF, etc. Is that right? If so, where can I find them? Thanks in advance. Bill From ricardo@conectiva.com.br Mon Mar 12 03:36:00 2001 From: ricardo@conectiva.com.br (Ricardo) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:36:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook ref-chart References: Message-ID: <3AACB383.A012338@conectiva.com.br> maybe jorge godoy's page at bazar.conectiva.com.br/~godoy Peter Toft wrote: > > Hi friends > > Any of you who has made a reference-chart of the the > most important DocBook tags? E.g. two pages or > something like that? > > The TDG has some 11 pages, but they have all the tags - > I want the important ones + a small example next to the > tag. > > -- > Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto > > Yes I use Linux every day. -- Ricardo Soares Guimar????es (GNOME - Brazil / KDE Brazil) LDP-BR - LIE-BR ricardo@conectiva.com.br +55 041-360-2682 uin: 39252777 As esplendidas fortunas - como os ventos impetuosos - provocam grandes naufragios. -- Plutarco From wbrooks@lug.ee.calpoly.edu Mon Apr 9 18:05:00 2001 From: wbrooks@lug.ee.calpoly.edu (Bill Brooks) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:05:00 -0000 Subject: Processing DocBook XML sources? Message-ID: Hi all, Didn't someone on this list say a while back that a new version of the docbook tools were available somewhere that would allow one to process documents based on DocBook 4.x XML DTD markup? Using the existing DSSSL stylesheets? if so, can someone refresh my memory as to where they are? Thanks in advance. Bill From ekkehard.goerlach@pharma.Novartis.com Wed Apr 11 00:51:00 2001 From: ekkehard.goerlach@pharma.Novartis.com (ekkehard.goerlach@pharma.Novartis.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:51:00 -0000 Subject: Processing DocBook XML sources? Message-ID: I am using the versions put together by the kde documentation project. See http://i18n.kde.org/translation-howto/doc-environment.html (just omit the kde customizations) and for the packages/tardists: kde/devel/docbook on any of the mirrors http://www.kde.org/mirrors.html HTH, Ekkehard From e.bischoff@noos.fr Wed Apr 11 02:03:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:03:00 -0000 Subject: Processing DocBook XML sources? References: Message-ID: <01041111033600.00885@s010> Le Tuesday 10 April 2001 03:05, Bill Brooks a ????crit : > Hi all, > > Didn't someone on this list say a while back that a new version of the > docbook tools were available somewhere that would allow one to process > documents based on DocBook 4.x XML DTD markup? Using the existing DSSSL > stylesheets? if so, can someone refresh my memory as to where they are? ftp://sourceware.cygnus.com/pub/docbook-tools/new-trials You need the new docbook-dtd41-xml package, the existing DSSSL style sheets are perfectly okay. You need a recent sgml-common (with the SGML declaration of XML) and docbook-utils (knowing about XML headers) though. For those interested in the XSL style sheets, I'm planning to package Xalan, Xerces, FOP, and the new docbook XSL style sheets. Why Xerces/Xalan and not another parser/style sheet engine? Well, I evaluated quite a lot and a) this one does not need java (but yes, FOP does) b) it is validating, supports DOM and SAX, XSLT and XPath c) its development goes on d) documentation is not bad (although java-centered) e) at some point you have to choose something ;-) I know this was not the unique choice, though. Of course the docbook-utils will get adapted to be able to control this other parser. For all those who sent me patches or reported bugs recently, don't worry, I'll try to implement them *before* ;-), if not done yet. Among them: - support DTDs with more complicated version numbers (Stephan Kulow) - print the name of generated files when possible (Daag Wiers) - use by default a .dsl with the same name as main sgml/xml file (Daag Wiers) - do not output 3 parasitic lines with --nochunk (Stephan Dalibor) - let sgmldiff run from somewhere else than /usr/bin (John Bowers) - behave correctly when "rpm -Uh" and not "rpm -e; rpm -ih" (Eric S. Raymond) - simulate openjade's -v option behaviour when using jade and not openjade (Stephan Dalibor) Thanks to all contributors! -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pto@sslug.dk Thu Apr 12 14:13:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:13:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? Message-ID: Friends I have now eight books in SGML/DocBook 3.1 running on Linux boxes. Should I consider to swap the source to XML at some point? What is the status on the XML DocBook resources?? Which tools are available for handling DocBook in XML? Emacs is my friend so far :)) My problem is that I have found very few point about the roadmap for DocBook. best -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto Linux!, because reboots are only for *kernel* upgrades! --- Sid Young From rhayden@apple.com Thu Apr 12 14:42:00 2001 From: rhayden@apple.com (Ronald Hayden) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:42:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? References: Message-ID: > From: Peter Toft > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:13:31 +0200 (CEST) > Subject: DocBook roadmap? > > I have now eight books in SGML/DocBook 3.1 running on > Linux boxes. Should I consider to swap the source to > XML at some point? What is the status on the XML > DocBook resources?? I'm putting together the Darwin Documentation Project, and have been playing with various DocBook XML solutions for a few months. The current status, in my experience so far, is that there are mature processing solutions as long as you can use a Java-based solution. This doesn't mean a Java application, but Java commands that you call from the command-line. The tools being used by the Darwin Doc Project are outlined here: http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/documentation/howto/html/Darwin_Doc _HOWTO.html#processing-xml There are a number of C- and Perl-based XSLT processing solutions in the works, but none of them that I've tried has successfully handled DocBook. This will certainly change in the next 6-9 months, but that's where it is now near as I can tell. On the editing side, there isn't anything really better than just using Emacs if you can stick with that. Certainly nothing mature (that I've seen) that a user not comfortable with tags is going to find very usable. That too will hopefully change in the next year. Of course I'm interested in hearing if other's experience varies. -- Ron Hayden From pto@sslug.dk Thu Apr 12 14:55:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:55:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Ronald Hayden wrote: > > From: Peter Toft > > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:13:31 +0200 (CEST) > > Subject: DocBook roadmap? > > > > I have now eight books in SGML/DocBook 3.1 running on > > Linux boxes. Should I consider to swap the source to > > XML at some point? What is the status on the XML > > DocBook resources?? > > I'm putting together the Darwin Documentation Project, and have been playing > with various DocBook XML solutions for a few months. The current status, in > my experience so far, is that there are mature processing solutions as long > as you can use a Java-based solution. This doesn't mean a Java application, > but Java commands that you call from the command-line. Any clues about the performance compared to jade which I use to do SGML->HTML/PS/PDF I have rather big documents :) -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "What have you contributed to Linux today?" -- Hanne Munkholm, SSLUG penguin From rhayden@apple.com Thu Apr 12 16:12:00 2001 From: rhayden@apple.com (Ronald Hayden) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:12:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? References: Message-ID: No -- I'm sure it's slower, though whether the amount matters would depend on how important speed is to you. For my case, where we intend to process HOWTO documents with each build, the speed isn't very important given that at most we'd be dealing with a few dozen small documents. -- Ron > From: Peter Toft > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:55:44 +0200 (CEST) > To: Ronald Hayden > Cc: docbook-tools-discuss@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Re: DocBook roadmap? > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Ronald Hayden wrote: > >>> From: Peter Toft >>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:13:31 +0200 (CEST) >>> Subject: DocBook roadmap? >>> >>> I have now eight books in SGML/DocBook 3.1 running on >>> Linux boxes. Should I consider to swap the source to >>> XML at some point? What is the status on the XML >>> DocBook resources?? >> >> I'm putting together the Darwin Documentation Project, and have been playing >> with various DocBook XML solutions for a few months. The current status, in >> my experience so far, is that there are mature processing solutions as long >> as you can use a Java-based solution. This doesn't mean a Java application, >> but Java commands that you call from the command-line. > > Any clues about the performance compared to jade which > I use to do SGML->HTML/PS/PDF > > I have rather big documents :) > > -- > Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto > > "What have you contributed to Linux today?" > -- Hanne Munkholm, SSLUG penguin > > > From gleblanc@cu-portland.edu Thu Apr 12 16:14:00 2001 From: gleblanc@cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:14:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? References: Message-ID: <987116985.16651.2.camel@grego1.cu-portland.edu> On 12 Apr 2001 23:55:44 +0200, Peter Toft wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Ronald Hayden wrote: > > > > From: Peter Toft > > > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:13:31 +0200 (CEST) > > > Subject: DocBook roadmap? > > > > > > I have now eight books in SGML/DocBook 3.1 running on > > > Linux boxes. Should I consider to swap the source to > > > XML at some point? What is the status on the XML > > > DocBook resources?? > > > > I'm putting together the Darwin Documentation Project, and have been playing > > with various DocBook XML solutions for a few months. The current status, in > > my experience so far, is that there are mature processing solutions as long > > as you can use a Java-based solution. This doesn't mean a Java application, > > but Java commands that you call from the command-line. > > Any clues about the performance compared to jade which > I use to do SGML->HTML/PS/PDF I haven't tried this myself (yet), but libxslt is very fast, and should be stable and mostly bug-free at this point. www.xmlsoft.org/XSLT I think. I know that KDE is planning to use this for their next release, as will GNOME, for their next major release. Greg From rhayden@apple.com Thu Apr 12 16:29:00 2001 From: rhayden@apple.com (Ronald Hayden) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:29:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? References: <987116985.16651.2.camel@grego1.cu-portland.edu> Message-ID: > From: Gregory Leblanc > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:09:40 -0700 > To: docbook-tools-discuss@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Re: DocBook roadmap? > > I haven't tried this myself (yet), but libxslt is very fast, and should > be stable and mostly bug-free at this point. www.xmlsoft.org/XSLT I > think. I know that KDE is planning to use this for their next release, > as will GNOME, for their next major release. Does libxslt definitely handle DocBook? I tried it a few weeks ago with no luck. -- Ron From gleblanc@cu-portland.edu Thu Apr 12 17:16:00 2001 From: gleblanc@cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:16:00 -0000 Subject: DocBook roadmap? References: Message-ID: <987120746.16802.0.camel@grego1.cu-portland.edu> On 12 Apr 2001 16:28:59 -0700, Ronald Hayden wrote: > > From: Gregory Leblanc > > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:09:40 -0700 > > To: docbook-tools-discuss@sources.redhat.com > > Subject: Re: DocBook roadmap? > > > > I haven't tried this myself (yet), but libxslt is very fast, and should > > be stable and mostly bug-free at this point. www.xmlsoft.org/XSLT I > > think. I know that KDE is planning to use this for their next release, > > as will GNOME, for their next major release. > > Does libxslt definitely handle DocBook? > > I tried it a few weeks ago with no luck. The DocBook XSL stylesheets are part of the regression tests for libxslt, so yes, it definately works. DV did a demo of it for me recently, and it's pretty damn fast, but rather a memory hog. 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References: Message-ID: <87eluszrvb.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Peter Toft was heard to say: | XML at some point? What is the status on the XML | DocBook resources?? Which tools are available for | handling DocBook in XML? Emacs is my friend so far :)) All of the tools that work with DocBook SGML will also work with DocBook XML. XML *is* SGML. | My problem is that I have found very few point about | the roadmap for DocBook. What would you like such a roadmap to tell you? Please consider submitting your answer as a documentation request at sourceforge.net/projects/docbook :-) Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Simplicity is always a virtue.--Edward http://nwalsh.com/ | Abbey From eric@caldera.de Tue Apr 17 02:45:00 2001 From: eric@caldera.de (Eric Bischoff) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:45:00 -0000 Subject: libxslt in KDE? References: <10104130925.aa01995@mammoth.sco.com> Message-ID: <20010417114438.B2062@ns.caldera.de> On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:25:21AM -0700, Bob Stayton wrote: > Did you see this item from the docbook-apps list? > Have you tried libxslt? Other messages indicate it > is quite fast, and that it handles docbook. I tested it. I'm quite ignorant about "KDE using libxslt for their next release". Perharps indirectly, through Scrollkeepr. Perharps for the upcoming DocBook browser, I don't know. Coolo? I only know that Coolo (at KDE) has recently set up a system named "poxml" which allows us to translate docs using the xgettext/msgmerge mechanism (po files used as a translation memory). This system is meant to allow easiest updates of DocBook documentation translations. This system is based, if I remember correctly, on libxml, which is the basement for libxslt. I plan to package xalan/xerces as part of the docbook-tools project. You don't need java, excepted for printed output (though FOP). Jade is also fine, but it isn't XSL style sheets but DSSSL ones. > > > I'm putting together the Darwin Documentation Project, and have been playing > > > with various DocBook XML solutions for a few months. The current status, in > > > my experience so far, is that there are mature processing solutions as long > > > as you can use a Java-based solution. This doesn't mean a Java application, > > > but Java commands that you call from the command-line. > > > > Any clues about the performance compared to jade which > > I use to do SGML->HTML/PS/PDF > > I haven't tried this myself (yet), but libxslt is very fast, and should > be stable and mostly bug-free at this point. www.xmlsoft.org/XSLT I > think. I know that KDE is planning to use this for their next release, > as will GNOME, for their next major release. -- ????ric Bischoff - Documentation and Localization Caldera (Deutschland) GmbH - Linux for eBusiness Tel: +49 9131 7192 300 - Fax: +49 9131 7192 399 http://www.caldera.de/ From coolo@kde.org Tue Apr 17 06:07:00 2001 From: coolo@kde.org (Stephan Kulow) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:07:00 -0000 Subject: libxslt in KDE? References: <10104130925.aa01995@mammoth.sco.com> <20010417114438.B2062@ns.caldera.de> Message-ID: <1cf36dc842a7bf3667a2ec7d2c148530@NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org> Am Dienstag, 17. April 2001 11:44 schrieb Eric Bischoff: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:25:21AM -0700, Bob Stayton wrote: > > Did you see this item from the docbook-apps list? > > Have you tried libxslt? Other messages indicate it > > is quite fast, and that it handles docbook. > > I tested it. > > I'm quite ignorant about "KDE using libxslt for their next release". > Perharps indirectly, through Scrollkeepr. Perharps for the upcoming > DocBook browser, I don't know. Coolo? The DocBook browser is our new help system. > > I only know that Coolo (at KDE) has recently set up a system named "poxml" > which allows us to translate docs using the xgettext/msgmerge mechanism > (po files used as a translation memory). This system is meant to allow > easiest updates of DocBook documentation translations. This system > is based, if I remember correctly, on libxml, which is the basement > for libxslt. You mixed that up completly. poxml is not based on libxml, but our new help system is and it uses libxslt for rendering docbook online without any other tool. And this also means, we're using XSL stylesheets now and no DSSL anymore. Greetings, Stephan -- People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people. From pto@sslug.dk Sat Apr 21 14:35:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:35:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 Message-ID: It appears that Red Hat has made significant opdates from Red Hat 7.0 to 7.1 regarding DocBook tools. It seems that many of my script do not work now. For one - now jadewrapper has come in and the good old Marc Galassi stylesheet is gone: /usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets/cygnus-both.dsl Well I found with Red Hat 7.1 I can generate HTML output, but PDF has problems. Running jade to get my HTML.index (for collateindex.pl) the screen is soon filled with: jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6/docbook-utils.dsl:417:19:E: reference to undefined variable "%admon-font-family%" jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6/docbook-utils.dsl:411:7:E: reference to undefined variable "HSIZE" jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.59/html/dbhtml.dsl:316:17:E: invalid value for "attributes" characteristic jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.59/html/dbhtml.dsl:316:17:E: invalid value for "attributes" characteristic ... ... The last line is repeated forever.... I tried to run jade -t sgml -ihtml -d /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6/docbook-utils.dsl\#print -V html-index -V nochunks bog.sgml > ged.html Clues?? -- .--. Peter Toft, Ph.D. |o_o | [pto@sslug.dk] |:_/ | http://www.sslug.dk/~pto // \ \ (| | ) Penguin power /'\_ _/`\ \___)=(___/ From rosalia@galassi.org Sat Apr 21 14:39:00 2001 From: rosalia@galassi.org (Mark Galassi) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:39:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: <87zodaorrc.fsf@galassi.org> Dear Peter, As it turns out, Red Hat has completed what Eric and I did but never formally released: if they are using "jadewrapper" it means that they took our stuff out of CVS (and out of our interim release) and put that out. I'll take a better look. Just a few hours ago I finally started preparing a new release based on all the work Eric and I did last summer/fall, and I think it will be good. One thing you don't mention in your note is what overall wrapper they have. I'll also take a look at the index collating: I have done little with that, and I have not tested it either. From pto@sslug.dk Sat Apr 21 14:45:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:45:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: <87zodaorrc.fsf@galassi.org> Message-ID: On 21 Apr 2001, Mark Galassi wrote: > > Dear Peter, Hi Mark :-))) > > As it turns out, Red Hat has completed what Eric and I did but never > formally released: if they are using "jadewrapper" it means that they > took our stuff out of CVS (and out of our interim release) and put > that out. > > I'll take a better look. Just a few hours ago I finally started > preparing a new release based on all the work Eric and I did last > summer/fall, and I think it will be good. > > One thing you don't mention in your note is what overall wrapper they > have. db2html uses /usr/bin/jw - a jadewrapper - which has text in the beginning saying that Eric collects comments. The jadewrapper jw comes from the Red Hat 7.1 package docbook-utils-0.6-13.*rpm (Package naming has changed a lot from RH 7.0 to 7.1) > > I'll also take a look at the index collating: I have done little with > that, and I have not tested it either. That would be a big help for me! Thank you. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "Open Source and Linux: All of us win" From twaugh@redhat.com Sat Apr 21 15:35:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:35:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: <87zodaorrc.fsf@galassi.org> Message-ID: <20010421233546.F1155@redhat.com> On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 03:41:11PM -0600, Mark Galassi wrote: > As it turns out, Red Hat has completed what Eric and I did but never > formally released: if they are using "jadewrapper" it means that they > took our stuff out of CVS (and out of our interim release) and put > that out. Eric Bischoff had been pressing for us to use the new-trials packages, and it became more attractive with LSB acceptance. What we have in Red Hat Linux 7.1 is basically the new-trials packages with some slight re-packaging and some fixes. I haven't yet sent the fixes back, but it's on my list. > I'll take a better look. Just a few hours ago I finally started > preparing a new release based on all the work Eric and I did last > summer/fall, and I think it will be good. Cool. > One thing you don't mention in your note is what overall wrapper they > have. The 'jw' script from docbook-utils-0.6. > I'll also take a look at the index collating: I have done little with > that, and I have not tested it either. (Me either.) Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE64gtBONXnILZ4yVIRAp8UAJ9uD82ydTOfkLVGOLXNAtyVf3sCUACeLM/h xbPCMRTqR4P1dIGQUPuhlcs= =Unca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ed@redhat.com Sat Apr 21 17:48:00 2001 From: ed@redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:48:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: <87zodaorrc.fsf@galassi.org> <20010421233546.F1155@redhat.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Waugh writes: Tim> On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 03:41:11PM -0600, Mark Galassi wrote: ... >> I'll also take a look at the index collating: I have done little with >> that, and I have not tested it either. Tim> (Me either.) I've done a bit with it (I hacked up a new frontend and backend for jw that uses collateindex.pl and did some cursory testing under the 7.1 beta). I've done tried it on the gold bits yet; after I give it a try, I'll post it here if you like... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From pto@sslug.dk Sun Apr 22 01:05:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:05:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On 21 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Waugh writes: > > Tim> On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 03:41:11PM -0600, Mark Galassi wrote: > ... > >> I'll also take a look at the index collating: I have done little with > >> that, and I have not tested it either. > > Tim> (Me either.) > > I've done a bit with it (I hacked up a new frontend and backend for jw that > uses collateindex.pl and did some cursory testing under the 7.1 beta). I've > done tried it on the gold bits yet; after I give it a try, I'll post it > here if you like... It sure would be nice to know how to get RH 7.1 docbook tools to work - so please do :) Using collateindex.pl seems to be non-trivial. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "I don't think Microsoft is evil in itself; I just think that they make really crappy operating systems." -- Linus Torvalds From pto@sslug.dk Sun Apr 22 13:57:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:57:00 -0000 Subject: Red Hat sgml-tools vs. DocBook Message-ID: Friends I don't remember history here - first there were the dinos, then came man, after that the computer ... No really - On my Red Hat 7.0 box I have an RPM-package sgml-tools as well as my faithful DocBook tools. It seems that they originate from two SGML-branches or alike (they are not connected). The sgml-tools package contains (more files than): /usr/bin/rtf2rtf /usr/bin/sgml2html /usr/bin/sgml2info /usr/bin/sgml2latex /usr/bin/sgml2lyx /usr/bin/sgml2rtf /usr/bin/sgml2txt /usr/bin/sgmlcheck /usr/bin/sgmlpre /usr/bin/sgmlsasp /usr/bin/sgmltools.v1 /usr/lib/entity-map /usr/lib/entity-map/0.1.0 ... /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/catalog /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/common /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/deprec96 /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/html32.dtd /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/isoent /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/linuxdoc.dtd /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/linuxdoc96.dtd /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/linuxdoc97.dtd /usr/lib/sgml-tools/dtd/qwertz.dtd ... >From what I can read the sgml-tools are not the same as DocBook, but it seems to be close to it. What happened? Or is it just be who thinks that the two things are related :-) My followup main-question regards the sgml2latex - anyone who knows whether a DocBook->Latex converter exists? I really like to have one, since making books is a problem. The HTML-output is a web-format - no good for printing. The print-formats PS/PDF are not great in two-column format (e.g. tabels suck), hence it sure would be great to do DocBook->Latex and hack the Latex code the final step to something which could be printed. I guess that I will start making a "db2latex" at some point, if it does not exist... and should it be made from sgml2latex? Best -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto Linux!, because reboots are only for *kernel* upgrades! --- Sid Young From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Sun Apr 22 14:07:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:07:00 -0000 Subject: Red Hat sgml-tools vs. DocBook References: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Peter Toft wrote: > I don't remember history here - first there were the > dinos, then came man, after that the computer ... > > No really - On my Red Hat 7.0 box I have an RPM-package > sgml-tools as well as my faithful DocBook tools. It > seems that they originate from two SGML-branches or > alike (they are not connected). The sgml-tools package (version 1) is the old set of tools to make a linuxdoc SGML file into pretty much everything else. But it was just restricted to that. (I guess some would call it a dino. But I just happen to think differently about the origin of species.) Hugo. -- Alle email aan mij verzonden is gebonden aan de regels beschreven op mijn homepage. All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From ed@redhat.com Tue Apr 24 13:17:00 2001 From: ed@redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:17:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Toft writes: Peter> On 21 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: ... >> I've done a bit with it (I hacked up a new frontend and backend for jw >> that uses collateindex.pl and did some cursory testing under the 7.1 >> beta). I've done tried it on the gold bits yet; after I give it a try, >> I'll post it here if you like... Peter> It sure would be nice to know how to get RH 7.1 docbook tools to Peter> work - so please do :) Using collateindex.pl seems to be Peter> non-trivial. It's not that bad, really. Basically you run your SGML through jade once to get an HTML index file; then you run collateindex.pl against this, creating a DocBook index. Finally, you run your SGML (including the newly-generated index) through jade one last time. Some notes on these scripts: o Minimal testing, blah, blah, blah, it's somewhat stupid, blah, blah, blah, works for me, blah, blah, blah... :-) o Usage is: /flo-db2indexed-html .sgml o Puts final output in a subdirectory called o Assumes the following entity definition and reference is in the SGML file: And where ever you want the index to appear: &GENERATED-INDEX; (The script will recreate generated-index.sgml each time it runs; the first time jade runs there will be no file by this name, so you'll see an error.) o Assumes that any graphics referenced in the SGML reside in a subdirectory called "figs". This subdirectory is copied into the subdirectory, so the entire directory tree can be tarred up, and dropped on a website, ready to go... o flo-db2indexed-html refers to a .dsl file that we've hacked, but this should be removable so the default DSSSL is used instead. I think that's about it... Enjoy, Ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I feel uncomfortable about the version number in these # paths, but feel even more uncomfortable wildcarding it... :-( HTML_STYLESHEET=/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.59/test/docbook.css ADMON_GRAPHICS=/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.59/images/*.gif FINAL_INDEX=generated-index.sgml INDEXFILE=INDEX$$ # Convert to HTML, generating the HTML.index file that we'll use to # create an SGML index... echo Running $SGML_JADE... $SGML_JADE -t sgml -V html-index $SGML_ARGUMENTS # Generate the index, fixing up the problem of bogus empty closing tags ()... echo Indexing... perl /usr/bin/collateindex.pl -g -o ../$FINAL_INDEX HTML.index # Not sure if these are still needed; when we first tried collateindex; # it threw "" in the generated index in certain cases... cat ../$FINAL_INDEX | sed 's,^[ ]*[ ]*$,,' > ../$INDEXFILE mv -f ../$INDEXFILE ../$FINAL_INDEX # Nuke the HTML.index file; we don't need it anymore... rm -f HTML.index echo Rerunning $SGML_JADE... $SGML_JADE -t sgml $SGML_ARGUMENTS echo -n "Copying cascading stylesheet and admon graphics..." cp ${HTML_STYLESHEET} ./ mkdir ./stylesheet-images cp ${ADMON_GRAPHICS} ./stylesheet-images/ echo "Done!" if [ -d ../figs/ ] then echo -n "Moving figures..." (cd ../ ; tar cf - figs/) | (tar xf -) echo "Done!" echo -n "Cleaning CVS..." find ./figs/ -type d -name "CVS"|xargs rm -rf echo -n "EPS..." find ./figs/ -type f -name "*eps"|xargs rm -f echo -n " .xvpics..." find ./figs/ -type d -name ".xvpics"|xargs rm -rf echo -n "directories..." find ./figs/ -type d -empty|xargs rm -rf echo "Done!" fi # exit 0 From e.bischoff@noos.fr Thu Apr 26 03:04:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:04:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: <20010421233546.F1155@redhat.com> Message-ID: <01042612051406.00923@s010> Le Sunday 22 April 2001 02:48, Edward C. Bailey a ????crit : > > Tim> On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 03:41:11PM -0600, Mark Galassi wrote: > >> I'll also take a look at the index collating: I have done little with > >> that, and I have not tested it either. > > I've done a bit with it (I hacked up a new frontend and backend for jw that > uses collateindex.pl and did some cursory testing under the 7.1 beta). > I've done tried it on the gold bits yet; after I give it a try, I'll post > it here if you like... Send it to me as well, please. I'd like to integrate your additions to the docbook-utils. Please give me a lot of instructions on the use of your new backend/frontends, I'm very ignorant on collateindex.pl issues, and it could also allow me to explain it better in the "crash course to docbook" -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Thu Apr 26 10:26:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:26:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On Tue 24 Apr, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Toft writes: > Using collateindex.pl seems to be non-trivial. > It's not that bad, really. Basically you run your SGML through jade once > to get an HTML index file; then you run collateindex.pl against this, > creating a DocBook index. Finally, you run your SGML (including the > newly-generated index) through jade one last time. Do you know if this/the new set of files/tools works properly for PDF index generation? I posted here a while back about how I can generate a perfectly good SGML index file using collateindex, and that db2html does a fine job of then generating an html book with an index. But if I try to do the same for PDF the final PDF index only has some 30% of the references filled out, and most of those seem to be wrong. No-one had any suggestions as to what might be going wrong and my understanding of the process is too poor to know what to fiddle with. Doing a small (few pages) PDF file seemed to work OK, but my full (150 pages) book suffers the above problem, so right now it is annoyingly indexless. I don't know if I should be looking at what jade does or what jadetex does to get to the bottom of this. I have two different methods of generating the PDF version - both of which suffer the above problem. In either case start with: jade -c $CATALOG -t sgml -V html-index -ihtml -d ${DB_STYLESHEET} book perl ./collateindex.pl -s Symbols -t Index -g -i index -o genindex.sgm HTML.index (following this with jade -c $CATALOG -t sgml -ihtml -d ${DB_STYLESHEET} book produces nicely-indexed HTML) Then do either: 1) jade -t tex -d ${DB_STYLESHEET} -o ${TMPFN}.tex book pdfjadetex $TMPFN pdfjadetex $TMPFN pdfjadetex $TMPFN 2) jade -t tex -d ${DB_STYLESHEET} -o ${TMPFN}.tex book jadetex ${TMPFN}.tex jadetex ${TMPFN}.tex jadetex ${TMPFN}.tex dvips -o guide.ps book.dvi ps2pdf book.ps this second method has the advantage that it puts the pictures in. version 1 ought to but gives an error saying 'unrecognised format .eps'. Can anyone give me a clue about how to fix/diagnose the index problem (or how to get pdfjadtex to put the pictures in). thanx Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From pto@sslug.dk Thu Apr 26 11:47:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:47:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On 24 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Toft writes: > > Peter> On 21 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > ... > >> I've done a bit with it (I hacked up a new frontend and backend for jw > >> that uses collateindex.pl and did some cursory testing under the 7.1 > >> beta). I've done tried it on the gold bits yet; after I give it a try, > >> I'll post it here if you like... > > Peter> It sure would be nice to know how to get RH 7.1 docbook tools to > Peter> work - so please do :) Using collateindex.pl seems to be > Peter> non-trivial. > > It's not that bad, really. Basically you run your SGML through jade once > to get an HTML index file; then you run collateindex.pl against this, > creating a DocBook index. Finally, you run your SGML (including the > newly-generated index) through jade one last time. For the stuff Ed posted two days ago I found that (Red Hat Linux 7.1) I have to run the scripts through dos2unix and (Ed has been very helpful off-list) you have to delete the line 49 -d $STUFFPATH/stylesheets/flo-redhat-html.dsl \ and if you want to do an index for other languages - for Danish I want to run collateindex.pl with options -s Symboler -t Stikordsregister -g -i stikord -N then I have to hack directly into flo-indexed-html since I cannot parse those as arguments I am no there 100% yet - but it (I hope) seems close now... -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto (o_ (o_ (o_ (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ Penguins on the move ! (/)_ (/)_ (/)_ (/)_ (/)_ V_/_ From ed@redhat.com Thu Apr 26 11:54:00 2001 From: ed@redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:54:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Toft writes: ... Peter> For the stuff Ed posted two days ago I found that (Red Hat Linux Peter> 7.1) I have to run the scripts through dos2unix and (Ed has been Peter> very helpful off-list) More like very confused (but willing to communicate my confusion) off-list... ;-) I'm not sure why this is necessary; I just pulled the files down from my email, and compared them with the originals, and the files have identical md5sums. So if anyone else sees this kind of problem, please let me know. That way I can try to figure out whether it is my mailer doing bad MIME things or not... Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From pto@sslug.dk Thu Apr 26 12:00:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:00:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Wookey wrote: > 1) jade -t tex -d ${DB_STYLESHEET} -o ${TMPFN}.tex book > pdfjadetex $TMPFN > pdfjadetex $TMPFN > pdfjadetex $TMPFN > > 2) jade -t tex -d ${DB_STYLESHEET} -o ${TMPFN}.tex book > jadetex ${TMPFN}.tex > jadetex ${TMPFN}.tex > jadetex ${TMPFN}.tex > dvips -o guide.ps book.dvi > ps2pdf book.ps > > this second method has the advantage that it puts the pictures in. version 1 > ought to but gives an error saying 'unrecognised format .eps'. > > Can anyone give me a clue about how to fix/diagnose the index problem (or how > to get pdfjadtex to put the pictures in). I had some of those problems too, and switched to using png-pictures then running for pdf-output. I got excellent help from this list regarding handling this issue. Now I run pdfjadetex directly with png's only. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "Peace, Love, and Linux" -- IBM From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Thu Apr 26 15:05:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:05:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On 26 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Toft writes: > ... > Peter> For the stuff Ed posted two days ago I found that (Red Hat Linux > Peter> 7.1) I have to run the scripts through dos2unix and (Ed has been > Peter> very helpful off-list) > > More like very confused (but willing to communicate my confusion) > off-list... ;-) > > I'm not sure why this is necessary; I just pulled the files down from my > email, and compared them with the originals, and the files have identical > md5sums. So if anyone else sees this kind of problem, please let me know. > That way I can try to figure out whether it is my mailer doing bad MIME > things or not... I noticed they were encoded as: Application/OCTET-STREAM Which should mean the get transfered pretty much transparant. But after I saved them I found they were using CR/LF and vim reported this as: "flo-db2indexed-html" [dos] 51L, 1166C It might be an issue with the email software: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Hugo. -- Alle email aan mij verzonden is gebonden aan de regels beschreven op mijn homepage. All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From ed@redhat.com Thu Apr 26 17:34:00 2001 From: ed@redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:34:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Hugo" == Hugo van der Kooij writes: Hugo> On 26 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: ... >> I'm not sure why this is necessary; I just pulled the files down from my >> email, and compared them with the originals, and the files have >> identical md5sums. So if anyone else sees this kind of problem, please >> let me know. That way I can try to figure out whether it is my mailer >> doing bad MIME things or not... Hugo> I noticed they were encoded as: Application/OCTET-STREAM Hugo> Which should mean the get transfered pretty much transparant. But Hugo> after I saved them I found they were using CR/LF and vim reported Hugo> this as: "flo-db2indexed-html" [dos] 51L, 1166C Interesting; vim does not report this when I open the original file here... Hugo> It might be an issue with the email software: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 Hugo> (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Since I got matching md5sums on the original and the files taken from my email, we either have a situation where my emailer (gnus) is both encoding and decoding incorrectly (so they cancel out, and I see no change), or I'm guilty of cockpit error, or some peoples' emailers are doing something incorrect when decoding. I'm not sure which it is, so I'll do some research on my end to see if I'm messing it up or not... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From rlpeng@tonka.bu.edu Fri Apr 27 09:19:00 2001 From: rlpeng@tonka.bu.edu (Raymond Lei Peng) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:19:00 -0000 Subject: Link Problems, help!!! Message-ID: This shoould be relatively easy to fix but I am a newbie to DocBook... I am trying to ceate a hyerlink in one chapter/section of my book to another chapter/section of the book. For some reason after rendering th sgml file, the text that I tried to hyperlink is still unchanged. Here is a snipit of my code... ------------- RX from AP10: receive from telco ------------- the chapter/section that I am linking to has this sgml code: ---------
AP10 Interface --------- I have tried putting quotes around the section ids but nothing seems to affect the html?! Can someone plese tell me why I am not doing this right. Numerous other code that I have seen uses the exact same method. Should I be using xref or any other kind of link tag instead?? Thnks! Ray From rlpeng@tonka.bu.edu Fri Apr 27 09:31:00 2001 From: rlpeng@tonka.bu.edu (Raymond Lei Peng) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:31:00 -0000 Subject: Ingnore link problem Message-ID: Hey I actually figured it out, it was a bad doctype syntax error. So no need to answer my question! On the otherhand, DOES anybody know about where I can find a SGML/docBook, validator????? Ray From ndw@nwalsh.com Fri Apr 27 11:54:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:54:00 -0000 Subject: Ingnore link problem References: Message-ID: <871yqe9nsz.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Raymond Lei Peng was heard to say: | On the otherhand, DOES anybody know about where I can find a SGML/docBook, | validator????? You want nsgmls. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | We look back on our life as a thing of http://nwalsh.com/ | broken pieces, because our mistakes and | failures are always the first to strike | us, and outweigh in our imagination | what we have accomplished and | attained.--Goethe From pto@sslug.dk Fri Apr 27 12:01:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:01:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Wookey wrote: > On Tue 24 Apr, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > > >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Toft writes: > > Using collateindex.pl seems to be non-trivial. > > > It's not that bad, really. Basically you run your SGML through jade once > > to get an HTML index file; then you run collateindex.pl against this, > > creating a DocBook index. Finally, you run your SGML (including the > > newly-generated index) through jade one last time. > > Do you know if this/the new set of files/tools works properly for PDF index > generation? > > I posted here a while back about how I can generate a perfectly good SGML > index file using collateindex, and that db2html does a fine job of then > generating an html book with an index. > > But if I try to do the same for PDF the final PDF index only has some 30% of > the references filled out, and most of those seem to be wrong. No-one had any > suggestions as to what might be going wrong and my understanding of the > process is too poor to know what to fiddle with. Doing a small (few pages) > PDF file seemed to work OK, but my full (150 pages) book suffers the above > problem, so right now it is annoyingly indexless. Strange - I seem to be able run a set of books together with the new RH 7.1 tools and produce 800 pages (five books collected) with more than 1000 index-words - seems to be fine. However the who idea of using flo-* is still "young" - it lacks support for set-indexes (now only ordinary indexes are ok), national language-settings etc. I am hacking on those problems right now. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto Linux - Open Source - freedom : that's cool ! From e.bischoff@noos.fr Fri Apr 27 21:04:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:04:00 -0000 Subject: Ingnore link problem References: Message-ID: <01042806050000.00859@s010> Le Friday 27 April 2001 18:31, Raymond Lei Peng a ????crit : > Hey I actually figured it out, it was a bad doctype syntax error. > So no need to answer my question! > > On the otherhand, DOES anybody know about where I can find a SGML/docBook, > validator????? ftp://sourceware.cygnus.com/pub/docbook-tools/new-trials or try to find package "docbook-utils" on your distribution > > Ray -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.bischoff@noos.fr Fri Apr 27 21:31:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:31:00 -0000 Subject: Updated the docbook-utils References: <01042806050000.00859@s010> Message-ID: <01042806322503.00859@s010> Yes, I should definitely post such things on docbook-tools-announce, I know. Most recent versions: - DSSSL style sheets: version 1.64 Norm is currently developping 1.67, but 1.64 is said to be stable, so I didn't jump in directly into the latest version - docbook-utils version 0.6.8, I've stopped temporaarily applying all the patches I've been submitted by many of you lately. The reason is to allow Mark Galassi to clean up the docbook-tools without seeing them changing every day ;-). So if you don't see your patch in, don't get angry, it's normal. - minor improvements in the DTDs and jadetex The new attempts to package the XSL style sheets and the XML/XSLT engine will not be committed yet. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Sun Apr 29 08:15:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:15:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On 26 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> "Hugo" == Hugo van der Kooij writes: > > Hugo> On 26 Apr 2001, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > ... > >> I'm not sure why this is necessary; I just pulled the files down from my > >> email, and compared them with the originals, and the files have > >> identical md5sums. So if anyone else sees this kind of problem, please > >> let me know. That way I can try to figure out whether it is my mailer > >> doing bad MIME things or not... > > Hugo> I noticed they were encoded as: Application/OCTET-STREAM > > Hugo> Which should mean the get transfered pretty much transparant. But > Hugo> after I saved them I found they were using CR/LF and vim reported > Hugo> this as: "flo-db2indexed-html" [dos] 51L, 1166C > > Interesting; vim does not report this when I open the original file > here... I think the used MIMETYPE is confusing. When I check the original message, with all the MIME stuff inside it, I noticed there do not seem to be any DOS like CR/LF entries. In my case PINE may be at fault (which just puts the ball back to Red Hat as I use a Vanilla PINE from the latest errata ;-) Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Mon Apr 30 02:22:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:22:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook in Red Hat 7.1 References: Message-ID: On Fri 27 Apr, Peter Toft wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Wookey wrote: > > > I posted here a while back about how I can generate a perfectly good SGML > > index file using collateindex, and that db2html does a fine job of then > > generating an html book with an index. > > > > But if I try to do the same for PDF the final PDF index only has some 30% > > of the references filled out, and most of those seem to be wrong. No-one > > had any suggestions as to what might be going wrong and my understanding > > of the process is too poor to know what to fiddle with. Doing a small > > (few pages) PDF file seemed to work OK, but my full (150 pages) book > > suffers the above problem, so right now it is annoyingly indexless. > > Strange - I seem to be able run a set of books together > with the new RH 7.1 tools and produce 800 pages (five > books collected) with more than 1000 index-words - > seems to be fine. That seems encouraging - (but did you have the same prob as me before switching to this software set?). Anyway sounds like I should try it. Except I have debian boxes and prefer to stick wit the Debs in general. Can someone tell me which versions of the tools are in the RH7.1 software set and which bits (eg this jadewrapper) are perhaps not (yet) found anywhere else. Then I can compare with the current Debian state of the art and see what the easiest path to up-to-date software might be.... Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk Tue May 22 04:08:00 2001 From: gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:08:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook on Mandrake 7.2/8.0 Message-ID: <01052212035003.17018@gary.ringways.co.uk> Hi all, I've just come back to docbook after not using it for a while - the last time I used it was about 3 years ago using the then current rpms installed onto RedHat 5.2. I'm now on Mandrake 7.2, and within a day or two will upgrade to 8.0. My problem is that when I try to run one of my old documents through db2pdf I get shedloads of errors and a useless pdf file. As far as I can tell, I've got the appropriate rpm's installed, but I don't know where to go from here. I didn't understand the workings back in '99, I just used it. I think it's got something to do with the first line. Here's my first line as it is in the document, and the first few lines of errors. The second set is what happened when I changed it to look the same as the one in Docbook:TDG. Message-ID: <01052213561309.00945@s010> Le Tuesday 22 May 2001 13:03, Gary Stainburn a ????crit : > Hi all, > > Here's my first line as it is in the document, and the first few lines > of errors. The second set is what happened when I changed it to look > the same as the one in Docbook:TDG. > > > [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf pmrintro.sgml > Using stylesheet: > "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnus-both.d >sl" jade:pmrintro.sgml:1:59:W: cannot generate system identifier for public > text "-//Davenport//DTD DocBook V3.0//EN" It does not recognize the type of your document. Which is not very surprising, DocBook 3.0 was already a production of OASIS, not Davenport anymore if I remember correctly. > [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf pmrintro.sgml > Using stylesheet: > "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnus-both.d >sl" jade:E: cannot open > "/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets/nwalsh-modular/print/docbook.dsl" (No such > file or directory) Very strange that it looks for it in /usr/lib/sgml ! Perharps upgrade to a more recent Mandrake docbook style sheets package. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vivekchitra@eth.net Thu May 24 00:55:00 2001 From: vivekchitra@eth.net (Chitra & Vivek) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:55:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook tools on NT Message-ID: <001101c0e426$e68db270$5b43fea9@ntbox> Hello all Can someone tell me what I need to download to setup docbook tools on Windows NT. I would like to convert my docbook document into PDF and RTF files thanks Vivek From e.bischoff@noos.fr Thu May 24 06:08:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:08:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook tools on NT References: <001101c0e426$e68db270$5b43fea9@ntbox> Message-ID: <01052415091309.00851@s010> Le Thursday 24 May 2001 09:55, Chitra & Vivek a ????crit : > Hello all > Can someone tell me what I need to download to setup docbook tools on > Windows NT. I would like to convert my docbook document into PDF and RTF > files So far we support only Linux, sorry But you can of course use docbook on NT. Please check for example http://www.nwalsh.com/docbook > > thanks > Vivek -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk Thu May 24 08:16:00 2001 From: gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:16:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook on Mandrake 7.2/8.0 References: <01052212035003.17018@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01052213561309.00945@s010> Message-ID: <01052416122903.11819@gary.ringways.co.uk> I have now cut/pasted example.sgml from the Docbook:TDG and tried to run db2df on it. I get the errors: [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf example.sgml Using stylesheet: "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnus-both.dsl" jade:E: cannot open "/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets/nwalsh-modular/print/docbook.dsl" (No such file or directory) jade:E: specification document does not have the DSSSL architecture as a base architecture This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) (example.tex[/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg] JadeTeX 2000/06/20: 2.20 (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1ptm.fd) Elements will be labelled Jade begin document sequence at 2 (example.aux) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/cyrillic/ot2wncyr.fd) This is because the directory /usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets does not have the nwalsh-modular directory in it. It only has iso-entities-8879.1986/ Presumably, I've got some rpms still missing. can anyone help? Gary On Tuesday 22 May 2001 12:56 pm, Eric Bischoff wrote: > Le Tuesday 22 May 2001 13:03, Gary Stainburn a ????crit : > > Hi all, > > > > Here's my first line as it is in the document, and the first few > > lines of errors. The second set is what happened when I changed it > > to look the same as the one in Docbook:TDG. > > > > > > > [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf pmrintro.sgml > > Using stylesheet: > > "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnu > >s-both.d sl" jade:pmrintro.sgml:1:59:W: cannot generate system > > identifier for public text "-//Davenport//DTD DocBook V3.0//EN" > > It does not recognize the type of your document. Which is not very > surprising, DocBook 3.0 was already a production of OASIS, not > Davenport anymore if I remember correctly. > > > [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf pmrintro.sgml > > Using stylesheet: > > "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnu > >s-both.d sl" jade:E: cannot open > > "/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets/nwalsh-modular/print/docbook.dsl" (No > > such file or directory) > > Very strange that it looks for it in /usr/lib/sgml ! > > Perharps upgrade to a more recent Mandrake docbook style sheets > package. -- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000 From e.bischoff@noos.fr Thu May 24 10:28:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:28:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook on Mandrake 7.2/8.0 References: <01052212035003.17018@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01052213561309.00945@s010> <01052416122903.11819@gary.ringways.co.uk> Message-ID: <0105241929250D.00851@s010> Le Thursday 24 May 2001 17:12, Gary Stainburn a ????crit : > I have now cut/pasted example.sgml from the Docbook:TDG and tried to > run db2df on it. > > I get the errors: > > [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf example.sgml > Using stylesheet: > "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnus-both.d >sl" jade:E: cannot open > "/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets/nwalsh-modular/print/docbook.dsl" (No such > file or directory) /usr/lib is very strange in this context. There must be something broken in the Mandrake. Or you are mixing old and new setups. Please reinstall all docbook packages. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poet@linuxports.com Fri May 25 17:08:00 2001 From: poet@linuxports.com (Poet/Joshua Drake) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:08:00 -0000 Subject: HTML 2 DocBook tool References: <0105241929250D.00851@s010> Message-ID: Hello, We have just released our HTML 2 DocBook program. It is not free, but if there are some people out there dying to convert the HTML to Docbook this will help a great deal. The page includes example outputs. You can find more information at http://www.commandprompt.com/products.lxp . Just click on DocParse. Joshua Drake Poet -- -- CommandPrompt - http://www.commandprompt.com OpenDocs, LLC. - http://www.opendocs.org LinuxPorts - http://www.linuxports.com LDP - http://www.linuxdoc.org -- Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. -- From e.bischoff@noos.fr Sat May 26 00:04:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:04:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: Message-ID: <01052609061204.00848@s010> Hi all, I just committed a new version of sgml-common which includes the XML version of the ISO entities, and a new version of the XML Docbook DTD version 4.1 that uses these entities. In the previous state, the XML Docbook DTD used the SGML entities. It worked with SGML tools like jade, but failed with XML tools like xalan. So now we have /usr/share/sgml/ sgml-iso-entities-8879.1986 xml-iso-entities-8879.1986 As usually all the packages are available at ftp://sourceware.cygnus.com/pub/docbook-tools/new-trials . -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AkashB@InterraIT.COM Sat May 26 23:03:00 2001 From: AkashB@InterraIT.COM (Akash Bohra) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:03:00 -0000 Subject: docbook XML Message-ID: hi, we here in Interra have work related to converting well-formed XMLs to DOCbook XMLs. For every XML, we write a different set of stylesheets to achieve our goal. we want to generalize this whole process, so that we dont have to write stylesheets for every XML. is there any tool available for converting any well-formed XML to docbook XML ? or are there any generic set of stylesheets for this purpose ? may be i am posting this question at the wrong place, but i am desperate to know. please reply to this mail. regards, akash bohra From pri@magnus.dk Mon May 28 04:26:00 2001 From: pri@magnus.dk (Peter Ring) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 04:26:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook tools on NT Message-ID: Have a look at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/hoenicka_markus/ntsgml.html Kind regards Peter Ring -----Original Message----- From: Eric Bischoff [ mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr ] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:09 PM To: Chitra & Vivek; docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: Docbook tools on NT Le Thursday 24 May 2001 09:55, Chitra & Vivek a ????crit : > Hello all > Can someone tell me what I need to download to setup docbook tools on > Windows NT. I would like to convert my docbook document into PDF and RTF > files So far we support only Linux, sorry But you can of course use docbook on NT. Please check for example http://www.nwalsh.com/docbook > > thanks > Vivek -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From godoy@conectiva.com Mon May 28 05:31:00 2001 From: godoy@conectiva.com (Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 05:31:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052609061204.00848@s010> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 May 2001, e.bischoff@noos.fr wrote: > Hi all, > > I just committed a new version of sgml-common which includes the XML > version of the ISO entities, and a new version of the XML Docbook > DTD version 4.1 that uses these entities. > > In the previous state, the XML Docbook DTD used the SGML > entities. It worked with SGML tools like jade, but failed with XML > tools like xalan. > > So now we have > > /usr/share/sgml/ > sgml-iso-entities-8879.1986 > xml-iso-entities-8879.1986 > > As usually all the packages are available at > ftp://sourceware.cygnus.com/pub/docbook-tools/new-trials . Please, Don't do that. Instead create an xml-common. XML entities are not required to proccess SGML documents and SGML entities aren't required to proccess XML documents. I've created an xml-common package here and it's been working for a while now. Be seeing you, -- Godoy. Suporte ???? Rede Conectiva de Servi????os -- Conectiva Services Network Support Conectiva S.A - www.conectiva.com.br - +55 (41) 360-2600 Conectiva Inc. - www.conectiva.com - +55 (41) 360-2600 From e.bischoff@noos.fr Mon May 28 06:33:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:33:00 -0000 Subject: docbook XML References: Message-ID: <0105281533060B.11036@boson.caldera.de> Le Dimanche 27 Mai 2001 08:06, Akash Bohra a ????crit : > hi, > we here in Interra have work related to converting well-formed XMLs to > DOCbook XMLs. For every XML, we write a different set of stylesheets to > achieve our goal. we want to generalize this whole process, so that we dont > have to write stylesheets for every XML. > is there any tool available for converting any well-formed XML to docbook > XML ? XSLT could be an answer? It converts any well-formed XML into any well-formed XML - including docbook. > or are there any generic set of stylesheets for this purpose ? > may be i am posting this question at the wrong place, but i am desperate to > know. please reply to this mail. > regards, > akash bohra -- ????ric Bischoff - Documentation and Localization Caldera (Deutschland) GmbH - Linux for eBusiness Tel: +49 9131 7192 300 - Fax: +49 9131 7192 399 http://www.caldera.de/ From e.bischoff@noos.fr Mon May 28 09:24:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:24:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052609061204.00848@s010> Message-ID: <01052818223003.16397@boson.caldera.de> Le Lundi 28 Mai 2001 14:34, Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho a ????crit : > Please, Hi Jorge. I hope you are doing fine. > Don't do that. Instead create an xml-common. XML entities are not > required to proccess SGML documents and SGML entities aren't required > to proccess XML documents. But you can use SGML entities to process XML documents and XML entities to process SGML documents. There is interoperability. > I've created an xml-common package here and it's been working for a > while now. -- ????ric Bischoff - Documentation and Localization Caldera (Deutschland) GmbH - Linux for eBusiness Tel: +49 9131 7192 300 - Fax: +49 9131 7192 399 http://www.caldera.de/ From godoy@conectiva.com Mon May 28 16:25:00 2001 From: godoy@conectiva.com (Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:25:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052609061204.00848@s010> <01052818223003.16397@boson.caldera.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 May 2001, e.bischoff@noos.fr wrote: > Le Lundi 28 Mai 2001 14:34, Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho a ????crit : >> Please, > > Hi Jorge. I hope you are doing fine. Hi! I'm OK, thanks. :-)) >> Don't do that. Instead create an xml-common. XML entities are not >> required to proccess SGML documents and SGML entities aren't >> required to proccess XML documents. > > But you can use SGML entities to process XML documents and XML > entities to process SGML documents. There is interoperability. So, why copying them again? ;-) There are difference on some characters representations. See, e.g., á: SGML entities: XML entities: For XML entities one uses Unicode representation, for SGML not. Be seeing you, -- Godoy. Suporte ???? Rede Conectiva de Servi????os -- Conectiva Services Network Support Conectiva S.A - www.conectiva.com.br - +55 (41) 360-2600 Conectiva Inc. - www.conectiva.com - +55 (41) 360-2600 From e.bischoff@noos.fr Tue May 29 01:47:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:47:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052818223003.16397@boson.caldera.de> Message-ID: <01052910534905.01734@boson.caldera.de> Le Mardi 29 Mai 2001 01:29, Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho a ????crit : > > Hi Jorge. I hope you are doing fine. > > Hi! I'm OK, thanks. :-)) Super! :-) > >> Don't do that. Instead create an xml-common. XML entities are not > >> required to proccess SGML documents and SGML entities aren't > >> required to proccess XML documents. > > > > But you can use SGML entities to process XML documents and XML > > entities to process SGML documents. There is interoperability. > > (...) For XML entities one uses Unicode representation, for SGML not. I know. But XML files are SGML files (the contrary is not true) and SGML tools can use both entity sets. I'm not sure however that it would mean that we can get rid of the SGML-only version of the ISO entities, they way they are declared could have some impact, for example on stylesheets. I've simply been putting everything together because of this interoperability, and to avoid multiplying the number of packages. Don't you think we've got already enough of them? ;-) I agree that a separate xml-common package could be a valid technical solution, I just don't really see a good reason why we should go this way. Everything this package contains are very basic and small ressources, although a bit heterogeneous. I think that both versions of the ISO entities go well together in this package. -- ????ric Bischoff - Documentation and Localization Caldera (Deutschland) GmbH - Linux for eBusiness Tel: +49 9131 7192 300 - Fax: +49 9131 7192 399 http://www.caldera.de/ From godoy@conectiva.com Tue May 29 06:19:00 2001 From: godoy@conectiva.com (Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:19:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052818223003.16397@boson.caldera.de> <01052910534905.01734@boson.caldera.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 May 2001, e.bischoff@noos.fr wrote: > Le Mardi 29 Mai 2001 01:29, Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho a ????crit : >> > Hi Jorge. I hope you are doing fine. >> >> Hi! I'm OK, thanks. :-)) > > Super! :-) Thanks! And how about you? Too much work? >> (...) For XML entities one uses Unicode representation, for SGML >> not. > > I know. But XML files are SGML files (the contrary is not true) and > SGML tools can use both entity sets. I'm not sure however that it > would mean that we can get rid of the SGML-only version of the ISO > entities, they way they are declared could have some impact, for > example on stylesheets. > > I've simply been putting everything together because of this > interoperability, and to avoid multiplying the number of > packages. Don't you think we've got already enough of them? ;-) No, I don't. As a base package for SGML processing, I think it should be only for SGML processing. Without caring for what tool can or cannot use it. If the specs says that we should use those entities in some specific way, that's what we should go for. XML specs says that entities must be specified in Unicode. So, the specs requires different things. Besides, I don't see any problem having a package with only XML entities (and that package might requires sgml-common, for the catalog installation and other tools). > I agree that a separate xml-common package could be a valid > technical solution, I just don't really see a good reason why we > should go this way. The reason is: having fewer things, makes you worry with fewer problems. And (I know disk is cheap) it will make our packages smaller and more specific to a desired function. > Everything this package contains are very basic and small > ressources, although a bit heterogeneous. I think that both versions > of the ISO entities go well together in this package. I still think that there should be an xml-common. BUT, I don't want to push you to this decision. I just want, if it will be in the same package, to be able to split them here and have all the tools working. There should be no requirement os assumption on any of the tools that I will always have both XML and SGML stuff together since this isn't true. People get really lost with this complex system and all this catalog and entities stuff... Having unused stuff installed there will make them even more confused. As I saida, this is only my opinion. If you decide not to take it, I'll accept and keep on using the packages. :-) Be seeing you, -- Godoy. Suporte ???? Rede Conectiva de Servi????os -- Conectiva Services Network Support Conectiva S.A - www.conectiva.com.br - +55 (41) 360-2600 Conectiva Inc. - www.conectiva.com - +55 (41) 360-2600 From gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk Wed May 30 04:37:00 2001 From: gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:37:00 -0000 Subject: Tex Capacity Exceeded (was Docbook on Mandrake 7.2/8.0) References: <01052212035003.17018@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01052416122903.11819@gary.ringways.co.uk> <0105241929250D.00851@s010> Message-ID: <01053012331500.02600@gary.ringways.co.uk> Hi all, Having failed abismally to get db working on MDK7 I've gone back to a RH6.2 system and installed the rpms. When I try to run db2pdf I get the following error. Anyone got any ideas? __BEGIN__ [gary@dcomp2 gary]$ db2pdf pmrintro.sgml This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) (pmrintro.tex[/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg] JadeTeX 1999/06/29: 2.7 (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1ptm.fd) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/isoents.tex ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=10000]. l.1417 \expandafter\def\csname EntnvDash\endcsname {\ensuremath{\nvDash}}% U2... ! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! Transcript written on pmrintro.log. [gary@dcomp2 gary]$ __END__ On Thursday 24 May 2001 6:29 pm, Eric Bischoff wrote: > Le Thursday 24 May 2001 17:12, Gary Stainburn a ????crit : > > I have now cut/pasted example.sgml from the Docbook:TDG and tried > > to run db2df on it. > > > > I get the errors: > > > > [gary@gary revcom]$ db2pdf example.sgml > > Using stylesheet: > > "/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-cygnus/stylesheets/cygnu > >s-both.d sl" jade:E: cannot open > > "/usr/lib/sgml/stylesheets/nwalsh-modular/print/docbook.dsl" (No > > such file or directory) > > /usr/lib is very strange in this context. There must be something > broken in the Mandrake. Or you are mixing old and new setups. Please > reinstall all docbook packages. -- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000 From eric@boson.caldera.de Wed May 30 05:28:00 2001 From: eric@boson.caldera.de (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 05:28:00 -0000 Subject: Tex Capacity Exceeded (was Docbook on Mandrake 7.2/8.0) References: <01052212035003.17018@gary.ringways.co.uk> <0105241929250D.00851@s010> <01053012331500.02600@gary.ringways.co.uk> Message-ID: <01053014350504.02561@boson.caldera.de> Le Mercredi 30 Mai 2001 13:33, Gary Stainburn a ????crit : > Hi all, > > Having failed abismally to get db working on MDK7 I've gone back to a > RH6.2 system and installed the rpms. > > When I try to run db2pdf I get the following error. Anyone got any > ideas? > (...) > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=10000]. > (...) Increase the hash size in the f***ing texmf.cnf file. TeX s***ks. From gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk Wed May 30 07:33:00 2001 From: gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:33:00 -0000 Subject: Tex Capacity Exceeded (was Docbook on Mandrake 7.2/8.0) References: <01052212035003.17018@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01053012331500.02600@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01053014350504.02561@boson.caldera.de> Message-ID: <01053015294501.02600@gary.ringways.co.uk> Hi Eric, all, I had sussed that, but the problem was that the texmf.cnf was 459 lines long, and the error msg didn't give a good pointer to which value to change. Anyways, I've go a bit further - I now get the following displayed. The errors extend to quite a number of occurrences. I have absolutely no idea where to go next as I was in over my head quite a while back. Gary __BEGIN__ [gary@dcomp2 revcom]$ db2pdf pmrintro.sgml This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) (pmrintro.tex[/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg] JadeTeX 1999/06/29: 2.7 (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1ptm.fd) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/isoents.tex) Elements will be labelled Jade begin document sequence at 20 (pmrintro.aux) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ot2cyr/ot2wncyr.fd) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/ts1cmr.fd) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/lucidabr/lmrhlcm.fd) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF ) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1phv.fd) [1.0.21[/usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/pdftex.map]] [2.0.21] [3.0.21] [4.0.21] [5.0.21] [6.0.21] ! Text line contains an invalid character. l.3543 {^^@ ^^@}\def\sbNom% ! Text line contains an invalid character. l.3543 {^^@^^@ }\def\sbNom% ! Text line contains an invalid character. l.3565 {^^@ ^^@}\def\sbNom% ! Text line contains an invalid character.A __END__ On Wednesday 30 May 2001 1:35 pm, Eric Bischoff wrote: > Le Mercredi 30 Mai 2001 13:33, Gary Stainburn a ????crit : > > Hi all, > > > > Having failed abismally to get db working on MDK7 I've gone back to > > a RH6.2 system and installed the rpms. > > > > When I try to run db2pdf I get the following error. Anyone got any > > ideas? > > (...) > > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=10000]. > > (...) > > Increase the hash size in the f***ing texmf.cnf file. > > TeX s***ks. -- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000 From Christophe.Gevaudan@ubs.com Fri Jun 1 04:05:00 2001 From: Christophe.Gevaudan@ubs.com (Christophe Gevaudan) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:05:00 -0000 Subject: how to get docbook tools Message-ID: <3B1776DC.DD5FD280@ubs.com> Hi, I'm a docbook newby looking for the docbook tools: the download site noticed to get the tools from - ftp://sourceware.cygnus.com/pub/docbook-tools/ - needs a userid and a password; those aren't mentioned i the text? How can I get the tools? Thanks in advance Christophe -- Christophe A. G????vaudan / IZ7E-GVU / UBS AG / Postfach / 8098 Z????rich mailto:Christophe.Gevaudan@ubs.com mailto:Gevaudanc@acm.org Tel +41 (0)1 236 70 18 / Fax +41 (0)1 236 87 07 From pto@sslug.dk Mon Jun 18 16:23:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:23:00 -0000 Subject: META tag in HTML-files to identify the SGML-source References: <3B1776DC.DD5FD280@ubs.com> Message-ID: I have a suggestion which several people can use. I write books (open on the net). People who like to contribute often read the HTML-files I generate. If they then want to add to the SGML-files they have to know the source location - often this is a problem. Often people have to use grep to find the source-file. I would like to have the SGML->HTML parser changed a bit, so we add a new tag in the -section if the file subdir/filesystems.sgml was the source of that particular HTML-file. Is this a small or big change? Is it possible to do? -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto So, if anybody wants to have hardware sent to them: don't call me, but instead write your own unix operating system. It has worked every time for me. (Linus Torvalds) From sulri@daks.dk Wed Jun 20 11:42:00 2001 From: sulri@daks.dk (S¿ren Ulrik) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:42:00 -0000 Subject: graphics in RTF - RH62-packages Message-ID: I use a RH6.2-box with appropiate updates for sgml and stylesheets-packages, and things are working fine except the fact that no images (.png) are included in the file generated by db2rtf - anu clues, or am I missing something? --- S????ren Ulrik From mma@e-wideweb.com Mon Jul 16 10:36:00 2001 From: mma@e-wideweb.com (Urs Stettler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:36:00 -0000 Subject: WARNING!!! DON'T READ THIS IF YOU DON'T LIKE MONEY Message-ID: <229602001711691419617@e-wideweb.com> WOW THIS REALLY WORKS!!! 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Fred Dellaca, Westport New Zealand ================================================ ORDER YUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON "YOUR" ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! ================================================ If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington ,D.C. This is a one time mailing and you will not be contacted again. Should you chose to have your name completely eliminated from our data-base, you can press the respond button and type "remove" on the subject line. From vivekchitra@eth.net Wed Jul 18 18:30:00 2001 From: vivekchitra@eth.net (Chitra & Vivek) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:30:00 -0000 Subject: problems with db2rtf Message-ID: <00ac01c10ff2$3f19eb10$0201a8c0@ntbox> Hello folks I tried to use db2rtf on my Redhat linux 7.1 box. I get a strange one line per page output when I open the doc in word. Where should I look for a problem? PS: for folks who are subscribed to docbook@linuxdoc.org please bear with the cross posting. Vivek From ben@cs.hmc.edu Fri Jul 20 11:58:00 2001 From: ben@cs.hmc.edu (Ben FrantzDale) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:58:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? Message-ID: I've downloaded the sources for docbook, jade, jadetex, sgml-common and stylesheets but for the life of me I can't figure out how to install any of them. Is there install information anywhere? Thanks, Ben FrantzDale From tfox@redhat.com Fri Jul 20 19:04:00 2001 From: tfox@redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:04:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf Message-ID: <20010720220443.A17320@redhat.com> Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an emdash in the resulting PDF file? I have tried to solve this by replacing -- with ‐ ‐ ‐‐ ‐ ‐ but they all end up translating to - - (dash space dash) in HTML. I need to be able to produce both PDF and HTML. –– seems to make a really small space between the dashing, but it is not really noticable in PDF or HTML. Does anybody have a solution to this? Thanks, Tammy From pto@sslug.dk Fri Jul 20 23:17:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:17:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf References: <20010720220443.A17320@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tammy Fox wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an emdash in the > resulting PDF file? > > I have tried to solve this by replacing -- with > ‐ ‐ > ‐‐ > ‐ ‐ > > but they all end up translating to - - (dash space dash) in HTML. > > I need to be able to produce both PDF and HTML. > > –– seems to make a really small space between the dashing, > but it is not really noticable in PDF or HTML. > > Does anybody have a solution to this? I will forward you the last thread on this subject. -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto You are not alone. The penguins are everywhere. From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Fri Jul 20 23:18:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:18:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf References: <20010720220443.A17320@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tammy Fox wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an emdash in the > resulting PDF file? I have stopped worrying about PDF output. as I no longer use it due to the policies of Adobe. I suggest everyone to do likewise and al least visit http://www.boycottadobe.com/ once to understand why I came to this decision. Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From twaugh@redhat.com Sat Jul 21 01:40:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:40:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf References: <20010720220443.A17320@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010721094027.X18302@redhat.com> On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:04:43PM -0400, Tammy Fox wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an > emdash in the resulting PDF file? I'm pretty sure this is fixed in openjade CVS. I nabbed a patch from there to make openjade-1.3-17 in Red Hat Rawhide. Want to try it out? Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7WT/6ONXnILZ4yVIRAlpJAJwJICJiXeEn/BaZb/2RBamcojujwgCcDEWi Yz5xFQ8083JJ2Uv8IhH/T/4= =ZM28 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tfox@redhat.com Sat Jul 21 09:33:00 2001 From: tfox@redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:33:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf References: <20010720220443.A17320@redhat.com> <20010721094027.X18302@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010721123345.A6067@redhat.com> On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 09:40:27AM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:04:43PM -0400, Tammy Fox wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an > > emdash in the resulting PDF file? > > I'm pretty sure this is fixed in openjade CVS. I nabbed a patch from > there to make openjade-1.3-17 in Red Hat Rawhide. Want to try it out? > Excellent! That worked for me. Thanks, Tammy From treaves@silverfields.com Sun Jul 22 15:04:00 2001 From: treaves@silverfields.com (Timothy Reaves) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:04:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf References: <20010720220443.A17320@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010722180419.2f20c28b.treaves@silverfields.com> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Hugo van der Kooij wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tammy Fox wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an emdash in the > > resulting PDF file? > > I have stopped worrying about PDF output. as I no longer use it due to the > policies of Adobe. > > I suggest everyone to do likewise and al least visit > http://www.boycottadobe.com/ once to understand why I came to this > decision. > And what do you suggest for printing otherwise? Is there a PS backend? Or is that being boycotted as well? From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Sun Jul 22 15:09:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:09:00 -0000 Subject: -- in pdf References: <20010722180419.2f20c28b.treaves@silverfields.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Timothy Reaves wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:18:07 +0200 (CEST) > Hugo van der Kooij wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tammy Fox wrote: > > > > > Has anyone else noticed that db2pdf makes -- (double dashes) an emdash in the > > > resulting PDF file? > > > > I have stopped worrying about PDF output. as I no longer use it due to the > > policies of Adobe. > > > > I suggest everyone to do likewise and al least visit > > http://www.boycottadobe.com/ once to understand why I came to this > > decision. > > And what do you suggest for printing otherwise? Is there a PS backend? Or is that being boycotted as well? There is a PS backend. Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From e.bischoff@noos.fr Tue Jul 24 10:50:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:50:00 -0000 Subject: problems with db2rtf References: <00ac01c10ff2$3f19eb10$0201a8c0@ntbox> Message-ID: <00072305062902.01144@grumble.caldera.de> On Thursday 19 July 2001 03:29, Chitra & Vivek wrote: > Hello folks > I tried to use db2rtf on my Redhat linux 7.1 box. I get a strange one > line per page output when I open the doc in word. Where should I look for > a problem? Could you please send me in private a more accurate description of the problem (version of word, version of docbook-utils package, etc), with the file you want to convert as an attachement, at eric@caldera.de? From e.bischoff@noos.fr Tue Jul 24 10:50:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:50:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? References: Message-ID: <00072305275006.01144@grumble.caldera.de> On Friday 20 July 2001 20:58, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > I've downloaded the sources for docbook, jade, jadetex, sgml-common and > stylesheets but for the life of me I can't figure out how to install any > of them. Is there install information anywhere? Have a look at the Crash Course to DocBook on http://www.caldera.de/~eric . From ben@cs.hmc.edu Tue Jul 24 13:47:00 2001 From: ben@cs.hmc.edu (Ben FrantzDale) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:47:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? References: <00072305275006.01144@grumble.caldera.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Eric Bischoff wrote: > On Friday 20 July 2001 20:58, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > > I've downloaded the sources for docbook, jade, jadetex, sgml-common and > > stylesheets but for the life of me I can't figure out how to install any > > of them. Is there install information anywhere? > > Have a look at the Crash Course to DocBook on http://www.caldera.de/~eric . > I'd already found that page actually, but thanks. That page only seems to describe an RPM instalation. I've got source. For example, that page has the following: $ su Password: ultra-sucure # rpm -ih sgml-common*.rpm # rpm -ih jade*.rpm # rpm -ih jadetex*.rpm # rpm -ih docbook-dtd40-sgml*.rpm # rpm -ih docbook-style-dsssl*.rpm # rpm -ih perl-SGMLSpm*.rpm # rpm -ih docbook-utils*.rpm # exit But I get stuck here: [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ ls ISOamsa ISOamsn ISObox ISOdia ISOgrk3 ISOlat2 ISOtech ISOamsb ISOamso ISOcyr1 ISOgrk1 ISOgrk4 ISOnum ISOamsc ISOamsr ISOcyr2 ISOgrk2 ISOlat1 ISOpub [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ What am I supposed to do with these? Should there be a README or a Makefile or something? Thanks, Ben From e.bischoff@noos.fr Tue Jul 24 13:51:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:51:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? References: Message-ID: <01072422510503.01805@grumble.caldera.de> On Tuesday 24 July 2001 22:47, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Eric Bischoff wrote: > > On Friday 20 July 2001 20:58, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > > > I've downloaded the sources for docbook, jade, jadetex, sgml-common and > > > stylesheets but for the life of me I can't figure out how to install > > > any of them. Is there install information anywhere? > > > .... > > But I get stuck here: > [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ ls > ISOamsa ISOamsn ISObox ISOdia ISOgrk3 ISOlat2 ISOtech > ISOamsb ISOamso ISOcyr1 ISOgrk1 ISOgrk4 ISOnum > ISOamsc ISOamsr ISOcyr2 ISOgrk2 ISOlat1 ISOpub > [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ > > What am I supposed to do with these? Should there be a README or a > Makefile or something? When you install RPMs, you don't need to run Makefiles. Everything is ready for use. The crash-course explains what you can do then. From ben@cs.hmc.edu Tue Jul 24 13:59:00 2001 From: ben@cs.hmc.edu (Ben FrantzDale) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:59:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? References: <01072422510503.01805@grumble.caldera.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Eric Bischoff wrote: > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 22:47, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Eric Bischoff wrote: > > > On Friday 20 July 2001 20:58, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > > > > I've downloaded the sources for docbook, jade, jadetex, sgml-common and > > > > stylesheets but for the life of me I can't figure out how to install > > > > any of them. Is there install information anywhere? > > > > > .... > > > > But I get stuck here: > > [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ ls > > ISOamsa ISOamsn ISObox ISOdia ISOgrk3 ISOlat2 ISOtech > > ISOamsb ISOamso ISOcyr1 ISOgrk1 ISOgrk4 ISOnum > > ISOamsc ISOamsr ISOcyr2 ISOgrk2 ISOlat1 ISOpub > > [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ > > > > What am I supposed to do with these? Should there be a README or a > > Makefile or something? > > When you install RPMs, you don't need to run Makefiles. Everything is ready > for use. The crash-course explains what you can do then. I don't think I understand. I'm trying to install on Solaris from source. I didn't find any information about installing from source on that crash course page. Thanks, Ben From e.bischoff@noos.fr Tue Jul 24 14:07:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:07:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? References: Message-ID: <01072423062904.01805@grumble.caldera.de> On Tuesday 24 July 2001 22:59, Ben FrantzDale wrote: >> > I don't think I understand. I'm trying to install on Solaris from source. > I didn't find any information about installing from source on that crash > course page. You should have started there - with what you intend to do. The purpose of the docbook-tools project is to provide RPMs (and perharps someday DEBs) for the docbook tools chain. Even our RPMs don't work without adaptations on all distributions. What you can do if you are very courageous is unpack the source RPMs, see how they work, try to reproduce it, and then send us whatever package format is appropriate for Solaris, and I and Mark will be happy to put them online. I think that an outdated version for Solaris even exists on the FTP site. Sorry not to be able to help more. From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Tue Jul 24 15:45:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:45:00 -0000 Subject: Instalation? References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Eric Bischoff wrote: > > > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 22:47, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Eric Bischoff wrote: > > > > On Friday 20 July 2001 20:58, Ben FrantzDale wrote: > > > > > I've downloaded the sources for docbook, jade, jadetex, sgml-common and > > > > > stylesheets but for the life of me I can't figure out how to install > > > > > any of them. Is there install information anywhere? > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > But I get stuck here: > > > [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ ls > > > ISOamsa ISOamsn ISObox ISOdia ISOgrk3 ISOlat2 ISOtech > > > ISOamsb ISOamso ISOcyr1 ISOgrk1 ISOgrk4 ISOnum > > > ISOamsc ISOamsr ISOcyr2 ISOgrk2 ISOlat1 ISOpub > > > [ben@turing:~/proj/req6229-gnome1.4/docbook/sgml-common]$ > > > > > > What am I supposed to do with these? Should there be a README or a > > > Makefile or something? > > > > When you install RPMs, you don't need to run Makefiles. Everything is ready > > for use. The crash-course explains what you can do then. > > I don't think I understand. I'm trying to install on Solaris from source. > I didn't find any information about installing from source on that crash > course page. You could get the Source RPM packages and get the RPM sources. Then install RPM form source and start building the RPM packages for solaris. I haven't done that (yet) but it seems to be possible. Reading the SPEC files and rebuilding for Solaris is an option only to those noble enough to have mastered building solaris packages. (I'm about to go on a quest to apply the knowledge I have acquired and see if I can become a craftsman of solaris packages myself. However DocBook is not included in that particular quest as it seeks the hight of OpenSSH and OpenSSL on Solaris 2.5 and above.) Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From jtvh@bu.edu Fri Jul 27 09:53:00 2001 From: jtvh@bu.edu (Jennifer Teig von Hoffman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:53:00 -0000 Subject: pdf image and page number problems Message-ID: Hello all, I apologize if this is an inappropriate place to post this question; if I'm out of order, please point me in the right direction. I'm having two problems with rendering PDF using docbook2pdf and DocBook 3.1 ( !DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN"). 1) In some of my documents, the page numbers for each chapter re-start at 1. The first page of chapter 1 is page 1, as is the first page of chapter 2, 3, etc. I am not forcing renumbering anywhere, and all my chapters and sections have unique IDs. 2) Images are not showing up at all. Here's a sample of my code: Any pointers would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Yours, Jennifer Teig von Hoffman Senior Analyst/Consultant Office of Information Technology Boston University 111 Cummington Street Boston, MA 02215 jtvh@bu.edu From e.bischoff@noos.fr Fri Jul 27 18:51:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:51:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052910534905.01734@boson.caldera.de> Message-ID: <01072522365503.01176@grumble.caldera.de> On Tuesday 29 May 2001 15:22, Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho wrote: > >> > Hi Jorge. I hope you are doing fine. > >> > >> Hi! I'm OK, thanks. :-)) > > > > Super! :-) > > Thanks! And how about you? Too much work? As you can say with the date of this reply, yes :-(. > > I've simply been putting everything together because of this > > interoperability, and to avoid multiplying the number of > > packages. Don't you think we've got already enough of them? ;-) > > No, I don't. As a base package for SGML processing, I think it should > be only for SGML processing. Without caring for what tool can or > cannot use it. If the specs says that we should use those entities in > some specific way, that's what we should go for. The problem is that XML processing is SGML processing. > XML specs says that entities must be specified in Unicode. So, the > specs requires different things. Besides, I don't see any problem > having a package with only XML entities (and that package might > requires sgml-common, for the catalog installation and other tools). I don't see any problem with having only one package either. > > I agree that a separate xml-common package could be a valid > > technical solution, I just don't really see a good reason why we > > should go this way. > > The reason is: having fewer things, makes you worry with fewer > problems. And (I know disk is cheap) it will make our packages smaller > and more specific to a desired function. Come on... sgml-common is ridiculously small, and now you want to split it again... > > Everything this package contains are very basic and small > > ressources, although a bit heterogeneous. I think that both versions > > of the ISO entities go well together in this package. > > I still think that there should be an xml-common. BUT, I don't want to > push you to this decision. I just want, if it will be in the same > package, to be able to split them here and have all the tools > working. There should be no requirement os assumption on any of the > tools that I will always have both XML and SGML stuff together since > this isn't true. People get really lost with this complex system and > all this catalog and entities stuff... Having unused stuff installed > there will make them even more confused. Having too much packages doesn't help a lot with respect to complexity either. > As I saida, this is only my opinion. If you decide not to take it, > I'll accept and keep on using the packages. :-) I'm no dictator ;-). I need to speak about this with Mark Galassi. A lot of people seem to (unfortunately ;-) ) agree with you. Sad you didn't make it to go to San Diego. We could have met. From e.bischoff@noos.fr Fri Jul 27 19:55:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:55:00 -0000 Subject: pdf image and page number problems References: Message-ID: <01072804545606.01060@s010> Le Friday 27 July 2001 18:53, Jennifer Teig von Hoffman a ????crit : > Hello all, > > I apologize if this is an inappropriate place to post this question; if > I'm out of order, please point me in the right direction. > > I'm having two problems with rendering PDF using docbook2pdf and DocBook > 3.1 ( !DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN"). > > 1) In some of my documents, the page numbers for each chapter re-start at > 1. The first page of chapter 1 is page 1, as is the first page of chapter > 2, 3, etc. I am not forcing renumbering anywhere, and all my chapters and > sections have unique IDs. Don't know. I'm interested by the answer. > 2) Images are not showing up at all. Here's a sample of my code: > > > > Try format="EPS" etc... Not sure though. > > > > > > > > > > Any pointers would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From swilhelm@theriver.com Sun Jul 29 17:31:00 2001 From: swilhelm@theriver.com (Stephen Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:31:00 -0000 Subject: Inserting a file using Message-ID: Hello everyone. I have a large document where I insert chapters using and I would like to do the same for perl scripts. I have tried using &program; but DocBook wants to interpret the "&" characters inside the scripts. I can fix this by using a CDATA section like so: But then I can't use the &program; entity to insert my program. Basically, I want a way to insert a perl script into the text without modifying the script, keeping track of two versions of it (the script and the DocBook version) and without running my DocBook source through a preprocessor (which is what I'm doing now). I was hoping that there might be an attribute to programlisting that would tell it to read in a file, but this feature doesn't seem to exist. Is there another way to do this? -- Stephen Wilhelm See my Gtk-Perl Tutorial: http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Sun Jul 29 22:44:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:44:00 -0000 Subject: Inserting a file using References: Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Stephen Wilhelm wrote: > I was hoping that there might be an attribute to programlisting that would > tell it to read in a file, but this feature doesn't seem to exist. Is > there another way to do this? I have included SGML source files in the following way: I suggest you experiment likewise. Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From swilhelm@theriver.com Mon Jul 30 13:30:00 2001 From: swilhelm@theriver.com (Stephen Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:30:00 -0000 Subject: Inserting a file using References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Hugo van der Kooij wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Stephen Wilhelm wrote: > > > I was hoping that there might be an attribute to programlisting that would > > tell it to read in a file, but this feature doesn't seem to exist. Is > > there another way to do this? > > I have included SGML source files in the following way: > > > fileref="VoorbeeldBoek.sgml"> > This works great! By the way, the closing doesn't seem necessary, and jade complains if it's there. Thanks a lot for your help. -- Stephen Wilhelm See my Gtk-Perl Tutorial: http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ From treaves@silverfields.com Tue Jul 31 08:39:00 2001 From: treaves@silverfields.com (Timothy Reaves) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:39:00 -0000 Subject: problems generating PDF Message-ID: <20010731113853.0843dd17.treaves@silverfields.com> Hello all. I have a (currently) very simple docbook document I'm working on to evaluate docbook. I have jEdit setup very nicely to help me with this. Writing the document in docbook isn't really a problem. The problem is producing output. Specifically PDF. When I generate a PDF document, the basic structure is fine. However, a portion of the text is in red. I've no idea why. There is no tag at that location. Other portions are itialicised when the should (based on other portions of the document that are tagged similerly). And finally, another portion has no margin. Are these types of problems common with actually generating documents from docbook source? I can't see how docbook could be useful unless there were a reliable way to actually generate documents from it. Any sugestions? From wookey@aleph1.co.uk Tue Jul 31 11:07:00 2001 From: wookey@aleph1.co.uk (Wookey) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:07:00 -0000 Subject: problems generating PDF References: <20010731113853.0843dd17.treaves@silverfields.com> Message-ID: On Tue 31 Jul, Timothy Reaves wrote: > Hello all. > > I have a (currently) very simple docbook document I'm working on to > evaluate docbook. > I have jEdit setup very nicely to help me with this. Writing the > document in docboo k isn't really a problem. The problem is producing > output. Specifically PDF. > > When I generate a PDF document, the basic structure is fine. > However, a portion of the text is in red. I've no idea why. hmm, red in HTML output means 'this text is wrong in some way but I'm putting it in anyway'. Not sure if the same thing can occur in PDF (it hasn't for me yet), so this may be a red herring. > There is no tag at that location. Check the output of warnings from the SGML processor - it probably complains about something at this point. > Other portions are itialicised when the > should (based on other portions of the document that are t agged > similerly). Don't know about that > And finally, another portion has no margin. I've had this when something was wrong with the SGML structure. All the pages after the point where it goes wrong have their margins completely wrong. I forget what actually caused it, but it was something like having unbalanced tags or starting a chapter inside a chapter. > Are these types of problems common with actually generating documents > from docbook so urce? I can't see how docbook could be useful unless there > were a reliable way to act ually generate documents from it. It can work fine. I suspect you actually have errors in your SGML and it is doing its best to do what you said as opposed to what ou meant :-) Wookey -- Aleph One Ltd, Bottisham, CAMBRIDGE, CB5 9BA, UK Tel (00 44) 1223 811679 work: http://www.aleph1.co.uk/ play: http://www.chaos.org.uk/~wookey/ From treaves@silverfields.com Tue Jul 31 11:11:00 2001 From: treaves@silverfields.com (Timothy Reaves) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:11:00 -0000 Subject: index question Message-ID: <20010731141051.6dccc5a5.treaves@silverfields.com> Hello. I can't find any information on the proper way to create an index. I see the example under the index entry in the docbook book, but am wondering if there is a way to mark terms for inclusing in hte index, and have it automatically created? Or do I have to actually create the index manually? Any help appreciated. From godoy@conectiva.com Sun Aug 12 15:39:00 2001 From: godoy@conectiva.com (Jorge Godoy) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:39:00 -0000 Subject: Support for XML iso entities References: <01052910534905.01734@boson.caldera.de> <01072522365503.01176@grumble.caldera.de> Message-ID: Eric Bischoff writes: >> > I've simply been putting everything together because of this >> > interoperability, and to avoid multiplying the number of >> > packages. Don't you think we've got already enough of them? ;-) >> >> No, I don't. As a base package for SGML processing, I think it should >> be only for SGML processing. Without caring for what tool can or >> cannot use it. If the specs says that we should use those entities in >> some specific way, that's what we should go for. > > The problem is that XML processing is SGML processing. This is true if we think only about the specs of how to write documents. XML supports namespaces and other stuff that might become more and more complex. I am still for having a separate package form SGML entities and one for XML entities. >> XML specs says that entities must be specified in Unicode. So, the >> specs requires different things. Besides, I don't see any problem >> having a package with only XML entities (and that package might >> requires sgml-common, for the catalog installation and other tools). > > I don't see any problem with having only one package either. Disk space with things that will *never* be used, more configuration required in each package to make both confs work. These are problems that requires more knowledgement from the packager and make thinks more susceptible to mistakes. >> > I agree that a separate xml-common package could be a valid >> > technical solution, I just don't really see a good reason why we >> > should go this way. >> >> The reason is: having fewer things, makes you worry with fewer >> problems. And (I know disk is cheap) it will make our packages smaller >> and more specific to a desired function. > > Come on... sgml-common is ridiculously small, and now you want to split it > again... Yep. :o) In fact, I already have done it. Name : sgml-common Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.2 Vendor: Conectiva Release : 7cl Build Date: Ter 23 Jan 2001 12:36:10 BRST Install date: Qua 25 Jul 2001 19:58:50 BRT Build Host: mapi2.distro.conectiva Group : Text Source RPM: sgml-common-0.2-7cl.src.rpm Size : 123043 License: GPL and Name : xml-common Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.1 Vendor: Conectiva Release : 5cl Build Date: Seg 15 Jan 2001 14:54:27 BRST Install date: Qua 25 Jul 2001 19:58:51 BRT Build Host: mapi2.distro.conectiva Group : Text Source RPM: xml-common-0.1-5cl.src.rpm Size : 63816 License: GPL As you can see, xml-common is bigger than half of sgml-common. It makes it interesting to have a new package. > Having too much packages doesn't help a lot with respect to complexity either. It makes things more specific and allows one to have installed only what's needed. With the two packages above, I'd have to have 3 times more disk space than what I'll be really using if I'd have to worry only with XML. This is not a problem for big systems, but it starts to be with embedded systems. Lets keep things small and specific so that we won't need to discuss it all over again in the future. > I'm no dictator ;-). I need to speak about this with Mark Galassi. A lot of > people seem to (unfortunately ;-) ) agree with you. Good! :o)) > Sad you didn't make it to go to San Diego. We could have met. Indeed :-( We are with lots of things here... And I'm writing several documents now, while also developing some stylesheets to our books and internal documents. Creating specialized DTDs is also funny :o) -- Godoy. 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(02) 404-6288, 6289 (????????)???????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????? ???????? ???????????????? : (02) 3431-8100 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ???????????????????????????????????????? | KOSO-IDC From esr@snark.thyrsus.com Wed Aug 15 10:44:00 2001 From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:44:00 -0000 Subject: CVS permissions? Message-ID: <200108151748.f7FHmlA24836@snark.thyrsus.com> It appears from the sources that the docbook-tools haven't had a release in nearly a year. The man pages are so out of date that they're using the old names (db2html etc). I have time to do some work on this. Who do I apply to for commit privileges? -- Eric S. Raymond Government: If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your property will be confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be arrested. If you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you defend yourself against clubbing, you will be shot dead. These procedures are known as the Rule of Law. -- Edward Abbey From vivek.venugopalan@wipro.com Thu Aug 16 06:52:00 2001 From: vivek.venugopalan@wipro.com (Vivek Venugopalan) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:52:00 -0000 Subject: CVS permissions? References: <200108151748.f7FHmlA24836@snark.thyrsus.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric Thanks for pointing out that db2html is actually an old tool. I didn't know that - in fact I have been using the same for sometime and trying to report bugs on db2rtf to RedHat on their bugzilla. If things are so outdated, I don't mind chipping in and helping either. Can you tell me where the CVS repository is for this software. Regards Vivek > -----Original Message----- > From: docbook-tools-discuss-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:docbook-tools-discuss-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Eric > S. Raymond > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:19 PM > To: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: CVS permissions? > > > It appears from the sources that the docbook-tools haven't had a > release in nearly a year. The man pages are so out of date that > they're using the old names (db2html etc). > > I have time to do some work on this. Who do I apply to for > commit privileges? > -- > Eric S. Raymond > > Government: If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your property will be > confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be > arrested. If > you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you defend yourself against > clubbing, you will be shot dead. These procedures are known as the Rule of > Law. > > -- Edward Abbey From twaugh@redhat.com Fri Oct 26 13:23:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:23:00 -0000 Subject: xmlto (XSL tool-chain frontend) Message-ID: <20011127113208.P15015@redhat.com> I made a package called xmlto. It does for XSL what jw does for DSSSL. Whereas jw is a Jade wrapper, xmlto is a wrapper around the XSL-T processor. It's currently implemented for xsltproc as the XSL-T processor, and passivetex for conversions from XSL-FO. It also converts to man pages uses db2man.xsl, which I have enhanced somewhat (I think the output is comparable to that from docbook2man-spec.pl). Please take a look and let me know if this is a useful tool, or if it needs changing before it becomes useful. http://cyberelk.net/tim/xmlto/ Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alan@westhagen.com Fri Oct 26 13:40:00 2001 From: alan@westhagen.com (Alan Westhagen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:40:00 -0000 Subject: How do I get numbered sections? Message-ID: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> Being new to docbook, I have downloaded a number of HOWTOs and Docbook guides in source form, so that I can study the markup used. When I run docbook2html on these sources, I get usable html output, but it differs from that posted on the web. In particular, the section headings are not numbered and neither are the section references in the table of contents. What am I missing? Is there some parameter to docbook2html that I need to use? or is there some attribute which controls enumeration behavior? -- Alan Westhagen From e.bischoff@noos.fr Fri Oct 26 14:43:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:43:00 -0000 Subject: How do I get numbered sections? In-Reply-To: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> References: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> Message-ID: <01121307044702.00846@s010> Le Thursday 13 December 2001 00:54, Alan Westhagen a ??crit : > Being new to docbook, I have downloaded a > number of HOWTOs and Docbook guides in > source form, so that I can study the > markup used. > > When I run docbook2html on these sources, > I get usable html output, but it differs > from that posted on the web. In particular, > the section headings are not numbered and > neither are the section references in the > table of contents. > > What am I missing? Customized stylesheets. Usuallyu they have .dsl extension. > Is there some parameter > to docbook2html that I need to use? -d the_downloaded_stylesheet.dsl > or > is there some attribute which controls > enumeration behavior? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ??ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.bischoff@noos.fr Fri Oct 26 14:59:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:59:00 -0000 Subject: ANNOUNCE Support for XML In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D083E@EMAIL> References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D083E@EMAIL> Message-ID: <01121511532101.01223@s010> Le Monday 27 November 2000 20:29, Gregory Leblanc a ??crit : > > Le Lundi 13 Novembre 2000 07:08, Gregory Leblanc a ??crit : > > > In it's current form, I am NOT able to build an > > > RPM for the docbook-utils package unless I'm logged in as root. > > > > ???? What happens? Should not be needed. > > ok, I sort of lied. I changed your spec file like this. > > --- docbook-utils.spec Thu Nov 9 14:23:21 2000 > > +++ docbook-utils.spec.new Mon Nov 13 10:54:06 2000 > > @@ -31,13 +31,21 @@ > ... > > > I see why the build is failing, but I can't figure out why it's doing that, > nor how to fix it. Any help? Hi Greg. I'm purging my very old unread emails. At some point of time I had problems to keep pace with the flood of emails. Do you still need help on this? If yes, can you reexplain the problem? Sorry for answering one year later :-(. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ??ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dtan@banta.com.sg Fri Oct 26 15:31:00 2001 From: dtan@banta.com.sg (root) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:31:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook RPM on Linux 7.1 Message-ID: <3C215798.2D01D7AD@banta.com.sg> Hi there. Can I install Docbook in my Linux 7.1? Is the docbook file ver 4.1? Thanks in advance From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Fri Oct 26 16:14:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:14:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook RPM on Linux 7.1 In-Reply-To: <3C215798.2D01D7AD@banta.com.sg> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, root wrote: > Hi there. > Can I install Docbook in my Linux 7.1? No, you can't. It is allready part of it. ;-) > Is the docbook file ver 4.1? Perhaps you should take some time to study the content of your CD's or a ftp mirror site near you to learn what packages are available? Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From pto@sslug.dk Mon Oct 29 15:52:00 2001 From: pto@sslug.dk (Peter Toft) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:52:00 -0000 Subject: Limit for docbook Message-ID: Hi I am still using Red Hat 6.2 docbook 3.1 since it works (some people say that RH7.2 also works - good news). I have a problem with a collection of 11 books in a set, which is kinda biiiig :) When I do db2pdf I get Underfull \vbox (badness 10000) detected at line 303790 [855.0.21] [856.0.21] [857.0.21] [858.0.21] [859.0.21] [860.0.21] [861.0.21] [862.0.21] [863.0.21] [864.0.21] [865.0.21] [866.0.21] [867.0.21] [868.0.21] [869.0.21] [870.0.21] [871.0.21] [872.0.21] [873.0.21] [874.0.21] [875.0.21] [876.0.21] [877.0.21] [878.0.21] [879.0.21] [880.0.21] [881.0.21] [882.0.21] [883.0.21] ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [number of strings=55456]. \IfFileExists #1#2#3->\openin \@inputcheck #1 \ifeof \@inputcheck \ifx \inpu... l.311823 {1}} I understand that this is one of the TeX limits I have to hack - but I really don't know which one, since I can easily make a 500 page book - but not this one ... Best -- Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto "...... Those who want to get at the real guts of their machines have already begun turning to Linux." (IHT 29 oct 98) From irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca Tue Oct 30 07:12:00 2001 From: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:12:00 -0000 Subject: Limit for docbook References: Message-ID: Check my posts to this list over the last 12 months, and you will see a detailed description of how to extend your (la)tex resources. Beyond that, you may have to experiment a little about which resource to increase, but there is always the brute force method; double everything as a first approximation. Whatever your changes to the resources, you should be able to see the effects of the changes in the (la)tex log file which summarizes the total resources and the actual resources used. By correlating the log file changes with the actual resources you specified you can quickly narrow down which resource has to be increased. Usually, (as appears to be your case as well) it is one of the resources having to do with strings. Alan W. Irwin email: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca phone: 250-727-2902 FAX: 250-721-7715 snail-mail: Dr. Alan W. Irwin Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria, P.O. Box 3055, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, V8W 3P6 __________________________ Linux-powered astrophysics __________________________ On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Peter Toft wrote: > Hi > I am still using Red Hat 6.2 docbook 3.1 since it works > (some people say that RH7.2 also works - good news). > > I have a problem with a collection of 11 books in a > set, which is kinda biiiig :) > > When I do db2pdf I get > > Underfull \vbox (badness 10000) detected at line 303790 > [855.0.21] [856.0.21] [857.0.21] [858.0.21] [859.0.21] > [860.0.21] [861.0.21] > [862.0.21] [863.0.21] [864.0.21] [865.0.21] [866.0.21] > [867.0.21] [868.0.21] > [869.0.21] [870.0.21] [871.0.21] [872.0.21] [873.0.21] > [874.0.21] [875.0.21] > [876.0.21] [877.0.21] [878.0.21] [879.0.21] [880.0.21] > [881.0.21] [882.0.21] > [883.0.21] > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [number of > strings=55456]. > \IfFileExists #1#2#3->\openin \@inputcheck #1 > \ifeof > \@inputcheck \ifx \inpu... > l.311823 {1}} > > > I understand that this is one of the TeX limits I have > to hack - but I really don't know which one, since I > can easily make a 500 page book - but not this one ... > > > Best > > -- > Peter Toft, Ph.D. [pto@sslug.dk] http://www.sslug.dk/~pto > > "...... Those who want to get at the real guts of their machines > have already begun turning to Linux." > (IHT 29 oct 98) > > From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Oct 31 02:57:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:57:00 -0000 Subject: blank line in lists References: <1004124386.2147.279.camel@peecee> Message-ID: <87bsiojcus.fsf@nwalsh.com> / Gregory Leblanc was heard to say: | as well, things will be a bit more consistent. Norm never did reply to | Peter's second message, but if you're interested in more info, | docbook-apps is a much better list than this one (people actually | post/read that list more than once every other month). Hmm. Peter's second message included a patch that I haven't had time to evaluate yet. (I knew there had to be a reason I hadn't replied :-) Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | Every new beginning comes from some http://nwalsh.com/ | other beginning's end. From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Oct 31 03:38:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:38:00 -0000 Subject: blank line in lists References: Message-ID: <877ktcjazr.fsf@nwalsh.com> / "Alan W. Irwin" was heard to say: | Is he saying in a mixed content environment (I presume lists are examples of | that) that no filling or justification of paragraphs is done? That is what | would happen if white space were preserved. Of course, "preserved" is a | stronger statement than "significant" so I guess what I really need is | a definition of significant. | | Would Norm or some other expert here be willing to expand on the remark? "Significant" in this case means "passed through to the application". So, if you say: Some text What the application sees is "Begin a paragraph" "Newline" "Some text" "End a paragraph". So if the application thinks newlines are significant in paragraphs, you get an extra newline. What's really odd though is that I can't reproduce this problem without the intervening indexterm. And I expect the intervening indexterm is just a backend bug. (What are you generating? TeX, RTF, HTML, ... ?) Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | "Abstraction, abstraction and http://nwalsh.com/ | abstraction." This is the answer to the | question, "What are the three most | important words in programming?"--Paul | Hudak From irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca Wed Oct 31 07:19:00 2001 From: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:19:00 -0000 Subject: blank line in lists References: <877ktcjazr.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Norman, for that clear definition. The original poster had a good example of the problem. But I responded because I have often run into that problem myself. I worked around it by being very careful of leading nl's in my DocBook-XML source paragraphs in a mixed content environment, but I always thought of it as a bug that needed to be fixed. It's been 6 months since I have looked at this so the rest of my post is based on my memory of what went on then. So I may have some of the details wrong. But I proved to my satisfaction at that time that jade propagated the nl at the start of paragraphs in mixed environments. I don't think it does this for paragraphs in more ordinary environments, but I am not sure. Let's concentrate on the jade html backend although I suspect the problem occurs for all jade backends. To verify the problem I suggest you try jade with html output, and you should see that propagated nl *looking directly at the raw html file result* at the start of paragraphs in mixed environments like lists. In other words the generated html varys depending on whether that leading nl is in the docbook source or not. Then things get murky, because the browser interpretation of that leading nl in the HTML varies between browsers. As I recall mozilla ignored it while netscape 4.7 and konqueror paid attention to it leading to the problem that the original poster was discussing. Concentrating on the html here, if the html standards say leading nl's in paragraphs are valid in the context of lists or other mixed environments then it is up to the individual browser to ignore them, and obviously the problem is not jade's fault. However, if the html standards say leading nl's for paragraphs within lists are invalid, then this is jade's problem which should be fixed. In case of doubt about the html standards, I understand there are validators which should make it easy to tell whether the jade html output is valid for the leading nl situation we have been discussing. Hope this helps to clarify the problem. Alan email: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca phone: 250-727-2902 FAX: 250-721-7715 snail-mail: Dr. Alan W. Irwin Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria, P.O. Box 3055, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, V8W 3P6 __________________________ Linux-powered astrophysics __________________________ On 31 Oct 2001, Norman Walsh wrote: > / "Alan W. Irwin" was heard to say: > | Is he saying in a mixed content environment (I presume lists are examples of > | that) that no filling or justification of paragraphs is done? That is what > | would happen if white space were preserved. Of course, "preserved" is a > | stronger statement than "significant" so I guess what I really need is > | a definition of significant. > | > | Would Norm or some other expert here be willing to expand on the remark? > > "Significant" in this case means "passed through to the application". So, > if you say: > > > Some text > > What the application sees is "Begin a paragraph" "Newline" "Some text" > "End a paragraph". > > So if the application thinks newlines are significant in paragraphs, > you get an extra newline. > > What's really odd though is that I can't reproduce this problem > without the intervening indexterm. And I expect the intervening > indexterm is just a backend bug. > > (What are you generating? TeX, RTF, HTML, ... ?) > > Be seeing you, > norm > > -- > Norman Walsh | "Abstraction, abstraction and > http://nwalsh.com/ | abstraction." This is the answer to the > | question, "What are the three most > | important words in programming?"--Paul > | Hudak > From ndw@nwalsh.com Wed Oct 31 07:28:00 2001 From: ndw@nwalsh.com (Norman Walsh) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:28:00 -0000 Subject: blank line in lists References: Message-ID: <87elnj25j0.fsf@nwalsh.com> / "Alan W. Irwin" was heard to say: | Let's concentrate on the jade html backend although I suspect the problem | occurs for all jade backends. To verify the problem I suggest you try jade | with html output, and you should see that propagated nl *looking directly at | the raw html file result* at the start of paragraphs in mixed environments | like lists. Yes, I know what the markup looks like, but... | because the browser interpretation of that leading nl in the HTML varies | between browsers. As I recall mozilla ignored it while netscape 4.7 and | konqueror paid attention to it leading to the problem that the original | poster was discussing. Netscape 6.2 seems to ignore the leading whitespace, which I think is the correct behavior for HTML. | Concentrating on the html here, if the html standards say leading nl's in | paragraphs are valid in the context of lists or other mixed environments | then it is up to the individual browser to ignore them, and obviously the | problem is not jade's fault. That, I believe, is the case. | However, if the html standards say leading | nl's for paragraphs within lists are invalid, then this is jade's problem | which should be fixed. In case of doubt about the html standards, I | understand there are validators which should make it easy to tell whether | the jade html output is valid for the leading nl situation we have been | discussing. There's no question of validity or not, a newline can occur anywhere in a

. But what the browsers are supposed to do may be an open question. There are a class of problems that arise because things are allowed in DocBook that are not allowed in HTML (lists inside paragraphs for one). They are not easy to fix in Jade. In practice, I generally heave my generated HTML through tidy. It's a hack, but it usually helps. Except where tidy %@%!W@$@#s up, of course :-( Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Walsh | In the life of saints, technically so http://nwalsh.com/ | called, the spiritual facilities are | strong, but what gives the impression | of extravagance proves usually on | examination to be a relative deficiency | of intellect.--William James From tfox@redhat.com Wed Oct 31 14:44:00 2001 From: tfox@redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:44:00 -0000 Subject: blank line in lists References: <877ktcjazr.fsf@nwalsh.com> Message-ID: <20011031174416.B6893@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 06:38:00AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote: > / "Alan W. Irwin" was heard to say: > | Is he saying in a mixed content environment (I presume lists are examples of > | that) that no filling or justification of paragraphs is done? That is what > | would happen if white space were preserved. Of course, "preserved" is a > | stronger statement than "significant" so I guess what I really need is > | a definition of significant. > | > | Would Norm or some other expert here be willing to expand on the remark? > > "Significant" in this case means "passed through to the application". So, > if you say: > > > Some text > > What the application sees is "Begin a paragraph" "Newline" "Some text" > "End a paragraph". > > So if the application thinks newlines are significant in paragraphs, > you get an extra newline. > > What's really odd though is that I can't reproduce this problem > without the intervening indexterm. And I expect the intervening > indexterm is just a backend bug. > > (What are you generating? TeX, RTF, HTML, ... ?) > I am trying to generate PS and PDF when I see this problem. The HTML output looks fine because it ignores whitespace. Tammy From twaugh@redhat.com Tue Nov 27 03:32:00 2001 From: twaugh@redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:32:00 -0000 Subject: xmlto (XSL tool-chain frontend) Message-ID: <20011127113208.P15015@redhat.com> I made a package called xmlto. It does for XSL what jw does for DSSSL. Whereas jw is a Jade wrapper, xmlto is a wrapper around the XSL-T processor. It's currently implemented for xsltproc as the XSL-T processor, and passivetex for conversions from XSL-FO. It also converts to man pages uses db2man.xsl, which I have enhanced somewhat (I think the output is comparable to that from docbook2man-spec.pl). Please take a look and let me know if this is a useful tool, or if it needs changing before it becomes useful. http://cyberelk.net/tim/xmlto/ Tim. */ -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A3m3yaXy9qA00+cRAgfCAKCO7iaDaQcLtWTkCNC/vKQe+cR75ACcDM5D jrujPbCWQO2Qe1lIrcSdqRU= =zoKa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alan@westhagen.com Wed Dec 12 15:54:00 2001 From: alan@westhagen.com (Alan Westhagen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:54:00 -0000 Subject: How do I get numbered sections? Message-ID: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> Being new to docbook, I have downloaded a number of HOWTOs and Docbook guides in source form, so that I can study the markup used. When I run docbook2html on these sources, I get usable html output, but it differs from that posted on the web. In particular, the section headings are not numbered and neither are the section references in the table of contents. What am I missing? Is there some parameter to docbook2html that I need to use? or is there some attribute which controls enumeration behavior? -- Alan Westhagen From e.bischoff@noos.fr Wed Dec 12 22:01:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:01:00 -0000 Subject: How do I get numbered sections? References: <3C17EE28.3647C1BA@westhagen.com> Message-ID: <01121307044702.00846@s010> Le Thursday 13 December 2001 00:54, Alan Westhagen a ????crit : > Being new to docbook, I have downloaded a > number of HOWTOs and Docbook guides in > source form, so that I can study the > markup used. > > When I run docbook2html on these sources, > I get usable html output, but it differs > from that posted on the web. In particular, > the section headings are not numbered and > neither are the section references in the > table of contents. > > What am I missing? Customized stylesheets. Usuallyu they have .dsl extension. > Is there some parameter > to docbook2html that I need to use? -d the_downloaded_stylesheet.dsl > or > is there some attribute which controls > enumeration behavior? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.bischoff@noos.fr Sat Dec 15 02:50:00 2001 From: e.bischoff@noos.fr (Eric Bischoff) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:50:00 -0000 Subject: ANNOUNCE Support for XML References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D083E@EMAIL> Message-ID: <01121511532101.01223@s010> Le Monday 27 November 2000 20:29, Gregory Leblanc a ????crit : > > Le Lundi 13 Novembre 2000 07:08, Gregory Leblanc a ????crit : > > > In it's current form, I am NOT able to build an > > > RPM for the docbook-utils package unless I'm logged in as root. > > > > ???? What happens? Should not be needed. > > ok, I sort of lied. I changed your spec file like this. > > --- docbook-utils.spec Thu Nov 9 14:23:21 2000 > > +++ docbook-utils.spec.new Mon Nov 13 10:54:06 2000 > > @@ -31,13 +31,21 @@ > ... > > > I see why the build is failing, but I can't figure out why it's doing that, > nor how to fix it. Any help? Hi Greg. I'm purging my very old unread emails. At some point of time I had problems to keep pace with the flood of emails. Do you still need help on this? If yes, can you reexplain the problem? Sorry for answering one year later :-(. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ????ric Bischoff mailto:e.bischoff@noos.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dtan@banta.com.sg Wed Dec 19 19:08:00 2001 From: dtan@banta.com.sg (root) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:08:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook RPM on Linux 7.1 Message-ID: <3C215798.2D01D7AD@banta.com.sg> Hi there. Can I install Docbook in my Linux 7.1? Is the docbook file ver 4.1? Thanks in advance From hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org Wed Dec 19 22:49:00 2001 From: hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org (hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: Docbook RPM on Linux 7.1 References: <3C215798.2D01D7AD@banta.com.sg> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, root wrote: > Hi there. > Can I install Docbook in my Linux 7.1? No, you can't. It is allready part of it. ;-) > Is the docbook file ver 4.1? Perhaps you should take some time to study the content of your CD's or a ftp mirror site near you to learn what packages are available? Hugo. -- All email send to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger.