[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: setup.exe (Release 2.876)
Jon Turney
jon.turney@dronecode.org.uk
Mon Sep 12 12:55:00 GMT 2016
On 10/09/2016 19:00, Vince Rice wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Thomas Wolff <towo@towo.net> wrote:
>> Am 10.09.2016 um 07:57 schrieb Wayne Davison:
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz
>>> <yselkowitz@cygwin.com> wrote:
>>>> A new version of Setup, release 2.876, has been uploaded to
>>>> [...]
>>> The change from a button to a dropdown list for the View seems
>>> like a nice usability improvement,
>> I disagree with that, because what I want to check first is the
>> Pending view, to see what's supposed to be updated anyway. This is
>> more fiddly now than it was. Perhaps separate buttons (radio
>> buttons) for the views would be best.
There's been some discussion of making "Pending" the default view, or
the default view if this isn't a new install.
But this basically boils down to reading the user's mind to guess if
they ran setup to update or install a new package.
We can speculate about which of these scenarios is more common and
therefore what is a suitable default.
> I disagree with that. A dropdown list is exactly the right treatment
> for a list oâ things. But, and I realize SHTDI, and that someone is
> not me, perhaps a âfor the futureâ item would be a way to specify
> which view to start on, either through a command line option or
> through a kept choice.
>
> I also agree with OPâs request for a hotkey on View, although
> standard behavior of such a hotkey would be to position the cursor in
> the dropdown and open it, not automatically choose the ânextâ item in
> the dropdown. I can see the benefit of the latter, though.
The removal of Alt-V shortcut was not intentional, I'll fix that.
> But, more importantly (for me, anyway), can we please put the
> dropdown in the tab list? Tabbing out of the pick list goes to the
> Search text box, as it should. Shift-tabbing from the Search text box
> to go back to the Dropdown, however, instead goes to the Cancel
> button at the bottom of the page. If we can tab out of it, we should
> be able to tab (or shift-tab) back into it.
Hmm... yes, for some reason this control was never marked to be on the
list of tabstops, which is a bit more obvious now.
> Finally, a question â what is âPickedâ? It wasnât one of the previous
> choices, and I canât figure out what itâs supposed to represent. I
> have seven items on that page, all of which say âKeepâ, and which in
> no way represents all of what Iâve installed. I have nothing on
> Pending, having updated in my previous session. (Even then, I only
> had one thing to update, but still had the same seven items on
> âPickedâ.) I thought it might be things that setup âpickedâ for me
> based on the choices Iâve made, but that doesnât appear to be true,
> either, based on the above â not only am I not installing anything,
> but all of the items say âKeepâ.
This is described in the 2.875 announce mail, and in the tooltip as
"Picked: Show installed packages that were selected, not installed as a
dependency"
For existing installations, this is initially populated using some
guesswork (all non-base installed packages which aren't dependencies),
but should be accurately tracked going forward.
"Picked" is an unfortunate bit of leakage of setup's internal
terminology. If you have a better idea of what to call this view, I'd
be glad to hear it.
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