Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?

Robert Collins robert.collins@itdomain.com.au
Thu Oct 26 18:21:00 GMT 2000

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ]
> Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 11:33 AM
> To: Robert Collins; 'cygwin xfree86 '; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
>  Robert,
> Thanks for your suggestions.  BUT the answer to question is 
> alrady covered
> in FAQ.  All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow 
> the links.  I

That's the problem. The question: why would I want to use Xfree86/cygwin
is not covered "in the faq". It is linked to but I am not sure that is
enough. I don't want to replace Kenton Lee's text, but to ensure that
readers will goto that page.

I think the current FAQ provides enough links, but for someone
impatiently, or just browsing will they follow? We should provide a
"motivation for this project"/

> personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better 
> then Kenton Lee,
> whose URL pointer is under Q.2. ( http://www.rahul.net/kenton ).

I agree reading the FAQ is essential. BUT we also need to give enough
info in the FAQ that the real easy questions are answered without
expecting the user to jump through hoops. The mail archives are good,
but look at the cygwin list : even though the subscription page has a
link to the archives people still just don't check first.
> I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the 
> questions and
> suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and 
> then someone else
> jumping in between hiding behind aliases of Trade-Marks and opening an
> account as "xmoderator" under anonymous ID's.  This kind of 
> behavior, I do
> not appreciate.  It is an OpenSource projects users should be 
> willing to
> search and read to find the answers, before asking.  If I am unable to
> answer the questions properly then others are welcome to 
> answer, instead of
> creating confusions through anonymous accounts.

I agree completely.

> At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives 
> Then Ask."  FAQ
> and Mail archive are there for some good reasons.  98% when I 
> have problems
> with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail 
> archives answer my
> questions or give me hints where to look for a fix.  I expect 
> users to make
> a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space 
> Chris Faylor
> devoted to this project.
> Suhaib
> 1. General Information
> 1.1
>  What is X11, X11R6.x, and Cygwin/XFree86?
> X11, more precisely called "The X Window System" is a 
> complete window system
> that usually runs as the de-facto standard in Unix 
> environments. X11R6.4 is
> the name of the current release (precisely, the most recent one is
> X11R6.5.1, but this is not part of the 4.X server line. XFree86 was
> originally an implementation of the X Window System on 
> x86-based systems.
> (For more information see http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis ). 
> Cygwin/XFree86
> is a port of XFree86 version 4 for x86 windows based systems 
> using Redhat's
> Cygwin Development Tools.
> 1.2 Where can I find more information?
> Books about X11 exist in any well-sorted CS bookstore. 
> Some URLs:  
> http://www.x11.org/ (this has a rather large bibliography)  
> http://www.xfree86.org/  
> http://www.rahul.net/kenton 
> Mailing list Cygwin-XFree@sources.redhat.com. 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Collins
> To: cygwin xfree86; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> Sent: 10/26/2000 8:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
> I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered 
> by the web
> page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions...
> I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages
> (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.).
> Rob
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cygwin xfree86 [ mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM ]
> > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM
> > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
> > 
> > 
> > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no 
> > one can answer 
> > >you....
> > 
> > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's 
> > moderators!
> This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid contribution.
> Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the
> development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So 
> thanks for
> your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone assisting you
> in this project.
> Nuff Said.
> > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were 
> more tolerant 
> > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the 
> > exciting tools that 
> > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive 
> > questions is not a to 
> > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT.
> Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached stablility - at
> this point this is the development group, not a support group.
> > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too 
> > redumentary.
> > 
> > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be 
> > in an FAQ - they 
> > are for use by experienced users and newbies.
> As I said.. I agree
> Rob

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