Christopher Faylor wrote: >>I think you mean Ironic Design (ID). > > I think I found a web site which describes this: > > http://tinyurl.com/93kv I like this one: http://tinyurl.com/dss76 looks like they're fighting against some kind of noodle or hippo or whatever. Gerrit -- Ironing Design (ID) engineer, kindly elected by his noodly appendage