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[Bug localedata/3156] LC_TIME for pl_PL doesn't match standard usage


------- Additional Comments From inkerman42 at gmail dot com  2006-09-11 18:42 -------
[Sorry for delay, I have been on vacation for the last few days.]

First, some background to answer Mr. Drepper's and Mr. Simonsen's questions.


Weekdays:

Weekday abbreviations are not part of any official standard. They ones described
above are, however, used nearly universally in calendars.

Examples of use:

* http://kalendarz.pwn.pl/ [calendar of PWN (Polish Scientific Publishers),
publisher of the largest and most authoritative Polish-language encyclopedias
and dictionaries]
* http://lot.pl/ [timetable of LOT, the largest Polish airline]

Please note that these abbreviations can only appear standalone or as part of a
standalone date (and yes, while Polish weekday names are lowercase, they are
not). To abbreviate weekday names in an intertextual context (which would be
quite uncommon), one would have to use an ad hoc abbreviation following standard
rules, i.e. match the case of the word, end with a consonant, and be followed by
a dot, e.g. 'poniedziaÅ?ek' could be abbreviated as 'pn.', 'pon.', or 'poniedz.'.


Date:

Modern dictionaries of Polish language allow the following date abbreviations:

* 6 VIII 1984 (older dictionaries also allowed 6.VIII.1984)
* 6.8.1984, or 6.08.1984, or 06.08.1984

The use of other abbreviations (such as 1984.08.06) is explicitly discouraged,
unless neccessitated by specialized data processing requirements.

Online reference:

* http://so.pwn.pl/zasady.php?id=629747 [ortographical dictionary of PWN]

Examples of use:

* http://www.senat.gov.pl/senatrp/noty/dzieje.pdf [history of Senat, upper
chamber of the Polish parlament)]
* http://edukacja.sejm.gov.pl/historia_sejmu/ [history of Sejm, lower chamber of
the Polish parlament)]
* http://rjp.pl/?mod=uchwaly&id=2 [resolutions of the Polish Language Council,
official standarizing organization for the Polish language]
* http://intercity.pl/scripts/train/index.php?action=train_list [timetable of
PKP, the largest Polish railway company]
* http://lot.pl/ [timetable of LOT]


> The recommendation is that the abbreviated format be fixed
> format/lenght, as this is intended to be used in log messages.

Ah, I wasn't aware of this recommendation. Perhaps it might be a good idea to
document it somewhere? Is there some particular reason why so many locales don't
follow it?

Which formats exactly should be fixed-width? For d_fmt, there should be no
problem. Weekday abbreviations can be made fixed-width as well, by using a
variant with N replaced with Nd. And while it isn't exactly common to mix
weekday abbreviations and numeric date format, I guess it can be done, too. How
about date_fmt? It's not fixed-width in the POSIX locale, either.

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