Re: Updated fr_FR file

[Keld Jørn Simonsen <keld at dkuug dot dk>]

Hi

I would advocate against the abmon having different length of the
abbreviations.

I would also like the contact address to be ratained, as I am the
original contributor of the spec.

Furthermore there are some of the fields that are not according to
14652, eg language and territory should be ISO 639 and ISO 3166
conformant. 

The rest of the changes seem OK, if that is what you would like.

best regards
keld

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 01:32:40PM +0100, Stéphane Raimbault wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have spotted some mistakes in the fr_FR file of the glibc so we have
> talked about that problem[1] on traduc.org[2] mailing list.
> 
> The use of 'avril' isn't conventional to abbreviate 'avril' but we've
> chosen to use it because the full word is only 5 characters length and
> the usual abbreviation is 4.
> 
> We have fixed the following translations:
> 
> 1 - abmon:
> jan -> janv.
> fév -> févr.
> mar -> mars
> avr -> avril
> mai -> mai
> jui -> juin
> jul -> juil.
> aoû -> août
> sep -> sept.
> oct -> oct.
> nov -> nov.
> déc -> déc.
> 
> 2 - adday:
> dim -> dim.
> lun -> lun.
> mar -> mar.
> mer -> mer.
> jeu -> jeu.
> ven -> ven.
> sam -> sam.
> 
> References:
> - article 'Typographie : date, heure, adresse, téléphone, mail' of
> Jacques Poitou, of the university Lumière Lyon-2, indicate the same
> abreviations of months (except the one for 'avril' ('avr.'))
> 
> - 'Ramat de la Typographie' (2002, ISBN2-922366-01-4) use the same
> abbreviations except for 'avril' => 'avr.' and 'juillet' => 'juill.'.
> 
> - The 'Office québécois' of the french language advocates 'juill.'
> instead of 'juil.'
> http://66.46.185.79/bdl/gabarit_bdl.asp?Th=2&t1=&id=3619&D=Abr%E9viations%20des%20noms%20de%20mois
> http://66.46.185.79/bdl/gabarit_bdl.asp?Th=2&t1=&id=3617&D=Abr%E9viations%20des%20noms%20de%20jours
> 
> - Wikipedia (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mois) advocates 'juil.' or
> 'juill' for 'juillet'.
> 
> - the article DATE of posthumous document « Orthotypographie, dictionnaire
> raisonné » of Jean-Pierre Lacroux advocates the same abbreviations :
> http://listetypo.free.fr/JPL/Orthotypo-Lacroux.pdf
> 
> 3 - d_fmt: in French, the separator is not a dot but a slash!
> 
> References:
> - Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dates
> - The article « Typographie : date, heure, adresse, téléphone, mail » of
> Jacques Poitou : http://perso.univ-lyon2.fr/~poitou/Typo/t05a.html
> 
> 4 - the document n972-14652ft.pdf explains the meaning of grouping in
> LC_NUMERIC and I in French we must use 'grouping 3' and not the
> useless current 'grouping 0;0' (tested with printf("%'d", 2000000) =>
> 2 000 000).
> 
> References :
> - « Tout sur les unités de mesure » of Thierry Thomasset, Université
> technologique of Compiègne :
> http://www.utc.fr/~tthomass/Themes/Unites/typographie/Typo.pdf
> - lesson of maths for physics and chemistry of the 'Université en
> ligne' : http://www.uel.education.fr/consultation/reference/physique/outils_nancy/apprendre/chapitre1/titre5res.htm
> 
> Regards,
> Stéphane
> 
> [1] http://www.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2008-January/005362.html
> [2] http://traduc.org, french translation of Open Source projects
> (glossary, tools, desktop, man-pages, howto, etc).


> Index: fr_FR
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvs/glibc/libc/localedata/locales/fr_FR,v
> retrieving revision 1.14
> diff -u -r1.14 fr_FR
> --- fr_FR	9 Oct 2007 22:20:33 -0000	1.14
> +++ fr_FR	15 Mar 2008 12:28:48 -0000
> @@ -3,33 +3,35 @@
>  %
>  % French Language Locale for France
>  % Source: RAP
> -% Address: Sankt Jo//rgens Alle 8
> -%    DK-1615 Ko//benhavn V, Danmark
> -% Contact: Keld Simonsen
> -% Email: Keld.Simonsen@dkuug.dk
> -% Tel: +45 - 31226543
> -% Fax: +45 - 33256543
>  % Language: fr
> +% Contact: Traduc.org
> +% Address: 18, rue Cavendish
> +%          75019 Paris
> +% Email: traduc@traduc.org
>  % Territory: FR
> -% Revision: 4.3
> -% Date: 1996-10-15
> +% Revision: 4.4
> +% Date: 2008-03-02
>  % Users: general
>  % Charset: ISO-8859-1
> +% Authors:
> +% 2000-06-28, keld.simonsen@dkuug.dk
> +% 2008-03-02, stephane.raimbault@gmail.com
> +%
>  % Distribution and use is free, also
>  % for commercial purposes.
>  
>  LC_IDENTIFICATION
>  title      "French locale for France"
>  source     "RAP"
> -address    "Sankt J<U00F8>rgens Alle 8, DK-1615 K<U00F8>benhavn V, Danmark"
> -contact    "Keld Simonsen"
> +address    ""
> +contact    "Traduc.org"
>  email      "bug-glibc-locales@gnu.org"
>  tel        ""
>  fax        ""
>  language   "French"
>  territory  "France"
>  revision   "1.0"
> -date       "2000-06-28"
> +date       "2008-03-15"
>  %
>  category  "fr_FR:2000";LC_IDENTIFICATION
>  category  "fr_FR:2000";LC_CTYPE
> @@ -72,7 +74,7 @@
>  currency_symbol           "<U20AC>"
>  mon_decimal_point         "<U002C>"
>  mon_thousands_sep         "<U0020>"
> -mon_grouping              3;3
> +mon_grouping              3
>  positive_sign             ""
>  negative_sign             "<U002D>"
>  int_frac_digits           2
> @@ -88,14 +90,17 @@
>  LC_NUMERIC
>  decimal_point             "<U002C>"
>  thousands_sep             "<U0020>"
> -grouping                  0;0
> +grouping                  3
>  END LC_NUMERIC
>  
>  LC_TIME
> -abday   "<U0064><U0069><U006D>";"<U006C><U0075><U006E>";/
> -        "<U006D><U0061><U0072>";"<U006D><U0065><U0072>";/
> -        "<U006A><U0065><U0075>";"<U0076><U0065><U006E>";/
> -        "<U0073><U0061><U006D>"
> +abday   "<U0064><U0069><U006D><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006C><U0075><U006E><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006D><U0061><U0072><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006D><U0065><U0072><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006A><U0065><U0075><U002E>";/
> +        "<U0076><U0065><U006E><U002E>";/
> +        "<U0073><U0061><U006D><U002E>"
>  day     "<U0064><U0069><U006D><U0061><U006E><U0063><U0068><U0065>";/
>          "<U006C><U0075><U006E><U0064><U0069>";/
>          "<U006D><U0061><U0072><U0064><U0069>";/
> @@ -103,12 +108,18 @@
>          "<U006A><U0065><U0075><U0064><U0069>";/
>          "<U0076><U0065><U006E><U0064><U0072><U0065><U0064><U0069>";/
>          "<U0073><U0061><U006D><U0065><U0064><U0069>"
> -abmon   "<U006A><U0061><U006E>";"<U0066><U00E9><U0076>";/
> -        "<U006D><U0061><U0072>";"<U0061><U0076><U0072>";/
> -        "<U006D><U0061><U0069>";"<U006A><U0075><U006E>";/
> -        "<U006A><U0075><U0069>";"<U0061><U006F><U00FB>";/
> -        "<U0073><U0065><U0070>";"<U006F><U0063><U0074>";/
> -        "<U006E><U006F><U0076>";"<U0064><U00E9><U0063>"
> +abmon   "<U006A><U0061><U006E><U0076><U002E>";/
> +        "<U0066><U00E9><U0076><U0072><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006D><U0061><U0072><U0073>";/
> +        "<U0061><U0076><U0072><U0069><U006C>";/
> +        "<U006D><U0061><U0069>";/
> +        "<U006A><U0075><U0069><U006E>";/
> +        "<U006A><U0075><U0069><U006C><U002E>";/
> +        "<U0061><U006F><U00FB><U0074>";/
> +        "<U0073><U0065><U0070><U0074><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006F><U0063><U0074><U002E>";/
> +        "<U006E><U006F><U0076><U002E>";/
> +        "<U0064><U00E9><U0063><U002E>"
>  mon     "<U006A><U0061><U006E><U0076><U0069><U0065><U0072>";/
>          "<U0066><U00E9><U0076><U0072><U0069><U0065><U0072>";/
>          "<U006D><U0061><U0072><U0073>";/
> @@ -122,7 +133,7 @@
>          "<U006E><U006F><U0076><U0065><U006D><U0062><U0072><U0065>";/
>          "<U0064><U00E9><U0063><U0065><U006D><U0062><U0072><U0065>"
>  d_t_fmt "<U0025><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0064><U0020><U0025><U0062><U0020><U0025><U0059><U0020><U0025><U0054><U0020><U0025><U005A>"
> -d_fmt   "<U0025><U0064><U002E><U0025><U006D><U002E><U0025><U0059>"
> +d_fmt   "<U0025><U0064><U002F><U0025><U006D><U002F><U0025><U0059>"
>  t_fmt   "<U0025><U0054>"
>  am_pm   "";""
>  t_fmt_ampm ""