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Re: [RFC v2 PATCH] futex: extend set_robust_list to allow 2 locking ABIs at the same time.
- From: Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com>
- To: Carlos O'Donell <carlos at redhat dot com>
- Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx at linutronix dot de>, Shawn Landden <shawn at git dot icu>, libc-alpha at sourceware dot org, linux-api at vger dot kernel dot org, LKML <linux-kernel at vger dot kernel dot org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd at arndb dot de>, Deepa Dinamani <deepa dot kernel at gmail dot com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg at redhat dot com>, Andrew Morton <akpm at linux-foundation dot org>, Catalin Marinas <catalin dot marinas at arm dot com>, Keith Packard <keithp at keithp dot com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz at infradead dot org>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:27:48 +0100
- Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH] futex: extend set_robust_list to allow 2 locking ABIs at the same time.
- References: <20191104002909.25783-1-shawn@git.icu> <87woceslfs.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <alpine.DEB.2.21.1911051053470.17054@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> <87sgn2skm6.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <alpine.DEB.2.21.1911051253430.17054@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> <f11d82f1-1e81-e344-3ad2-76e4cb488a3d@redhat.com>
* Carlos O'Donell:
> On 11/5/19 6:56 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> * Thomas Gleixner:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>>>> * Shawn Landden:
>>>>>> If this new ABI is used, then bit 1 of the *next pointer of the
>>>>>> user-space robust_list indicates that the futex_offset2 value should
>>>>>> be used in place of the existing futex_offset.
>>>>>
>>>>> The futex interface currently has some races which can only be fixed by
>>>>> API changes. I'm concerned that we sacrifice the last bit for some
>>>>> rather obscure feature. What if we need that bit for fixing the
>>>>> correctness issues?
>>>>
>>>> That current approach is going nowhere and if we change the ABI ever then
>>>> this needs to happen with all *libc folks involved and agreeing.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, what's the race issue vs. robust list which you are
>>>> trying to solve?
>>>
>>> Sadly I'm not trying to solve them. Here's one of the issues:
>>>
>>> <https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14485>
>>
>> That one seems more a life time problem, i.e. the mutex is destroyed,
>> memory freed and map address reused while another thread was not yet out of
>> the mutex_unlock() call. Nasty.
>
> It is difficult to fix.
>
> The other issue is this:
>
> "Robust mutexes do not take ROBUST_LIST_LIMIT into account"
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19089
That's just a missing check in our implementation and something that few
applications will encounter, if any. There is this one here:
<https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19004>
It contains a kernel patch.
I thought that there were more issues in the current implementation, but
I can't a record of them. 8-(
Thanks,
Florian