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Re: Official Linux system wrapper library?
- From: Daniel Colascione <dancol at google dot com>
- To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso at mit dot edu>, Szabolcs Nagy <Szabolcs dot Nagy at arm dot com>, Daniel Colascione <dancol at google dot com>, Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com>, nd <nd at arm dot com>, "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk dot manpages at gmail dot com>, linux-kernel <linux-kernel at vger dot kernel dot org>, Joel Fernandes <joelaf at google dot com>, Linux API <linux-api at vger dot kernel dot org>, Willy Tarreau <w at 1wt dot eu>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka at suse dot cz>, "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos at redhat dot com>, "libc-alpha at sourceware dot org" <libc-alpha at sourceware dot org>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:40:00 -0800
- Subject: Re: Official Linux system wrapper library?
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On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:35 AM, Theodore Y. Ts'o <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:45:26PM +0000, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
>> >> A lot of the new system calls lack clear specifications or are just
>> >> somewhat misdesigned. For example, pkey_alloc
>> > [snip]
>> >> getrandom still causes boot delays
> I'll note that what some people consider misdesigns, others consider
> "fix CVE's".
> Some people may consider it more important to avoid boot delays;
> others would consider internet-wide security problems, ala
> https://factorable.net to be higher priority.
> It's clear this is one area where I and some glibc developers have had
> a difference of opinion. The bigger problem is that if a single glibc
> developer is able to veto any new system call, maybe we *do* need to
> have a kernel-provided library which bypasses glibc....
Historically speaking, the liberum veto has not led to good governance.