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Re: [PATCH] Revert Abortion joke removal.


On Tue, 2018-05-08 at 13:27 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On May  8, 2018, Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org> wrote:
> 
> > No.  The intial commit got approvals from no less than 4 developers,
> 
> and opposition by one developer and the ultimate maintainer,

There is no notion of an "ultimate maintainer" in glibc's consensus
process.  I see that this may not be your reality, but I believe a
majority of the developers would agree to that.
4 to 1 is still consensus.

> and who
> knows how many other silent opposers like myself who decided not to post
> right away because there were other oppositions on the record already.
> 
> How can you argue it should have gone in anyway, without further
> discussions?  How can you argue it was not rushed in despite the absence
> of consensus?

Look at what happened afterwards.  Many more developers spoke out in
favor of removal, and I think no developers spoke in favor of keeping
the content (eg, the new opinion I see by Andreas seems to be more about
the way it was removed in instead of the fact that it was removed).

> > The revert patch was basically a unilateral decision given that there
> > was no consensus on it.
> 
> Absence of opposition, per the rules, is consensus.

You keep ignoring that Carlos clearly said that he objected to any
replacement, which does include reinstating the same text.

> > It's not wrong given that Alex is an FSF steward and is probably
> > within his right to do that but it is in bad faith given the sustained
> > objections to the patch.
> 
> Even if we take as true your claim that there was sustained objection to
> the temporary reversal proposal, there was also objection, sustained to
> this date, to the initial patch, and it was there before the patch went
> in.

12 developers (my rough count) have spoken in favor of removal of the
"joke".
How many developers want to really keep it?  Can you compare the
numbers, please?

You'll notice that it doesn't make a difference whether you have 1 or 3
people in favor of keeping it, the majority is against it.  Please
accept that.


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