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Re: [docbook] Tables, braille and other stuff
- From: Tobias Reif <tobiasreif at pinkjuice dot com>
- To: docbook at lists dot oasis-open dot org
- Cc: Yann Dirson <ydirson at fr dot alcove dot com>,docbook-apps at lists dot oasis-open dot org
- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:09:09 +0200
- Subject: Re: [docbook] Tables, braille and other stuff
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Yann Dirson wrote:
Basically, in my never-ending attempts to hunt the layout-oriented
items out of the content-oriented stuff which DocBook is mostly, I've
choked on tables as well.
My idea is that the very notion of a table is completely
Nope. Tables are intended to be used for tabular data. (X)HTML tables
offer features specifically for that task, such as summary="", caption,
and scope="". Nothing to do with layout (DB(X)/(X)HTML tables would
still be as useful in this regard if all the presentational (eg layout)
features would be removed).
Thus it should only appear in the stylesheets, and
not in the DTD - note that some DocBook elements can be rendered in
tables already, that should give a hint.
Using tables for layout is a misuse of (X)HTML, and hinders accessibility.
You can markup tabular data as a table in DB(X) or (X)HTML, then
generate a linearized version. This shows that a) tables should remain
in both DTDs :), and b) that a transformers (eg some XSLT) could be
asked to generate a version of the content marked up with elements that
are not included in the table model.
That way, as the remark from
Dave suggests, we could maybe get better support for disabled people.
Tables are very appropriate for tabular data, in DocBook as in (X)HTML.
Tables used for tabular data can be made very accessible, for example in XHTML.
Tables abused for layout are the problem, in DB(X) as in (X)HTML.
For more info, see the WAI/WCAG.
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