RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup

[Igor Peshansky <pechtcha at cs dot nyu dot edu>]

Ugh, top-posting...  Reformatted.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia (Tasha) Belfiore wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igor Peshansky [mailto:pechtcha@XX.XXX.XXX]
> > Cc: cygwin@XXXXXX.XXX

Again, <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR>.  Let's not feed the
spammers.  Thanks.

> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:41 PM
> >
> > Tasha,
> >
> > Please make sure your mailer respects the Reply-To: header -- I set it
> > for a reason.  Both Dave and I read the list regularly -- it was not
> > necessary to Cc: us.
> >
> > <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU> reformatted.
> > Also, <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR>.  Thanks.
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia (Tasha) Belfiore wrote:
> >
> > > * From: "Dave Korn" <dave dot korn at artimi dot com>
> > > * Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:16:48 +0100
> > >
> > > > On 18 April 2006 16:47, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 1. I did try switching to full mode and everything disappeared in
> > > > > the menu of choices.
> > > >
> > > >   Are you sure that the column widths on the chooser aren't just
> > > > messed up or it's scrolled too far or something like that?
> > > >
> > > > > 4. I have attached a text file of the cygcheck -svc output.
> > > >
> > > >   Which reveals you to have a fully working cygwin installation.
> > > >
> > > >   BTW, when it says "Skip" next to something and you want that
> > > > something installed, click on the word "Skip" and it should change
> > > > to a version number (if it's a single package), which means "install
> > > > this version", or the word "Install" (if it's an entire category),
> > > > which means "Install current versions of all packages in category".
> > >
> > > * From: Igor Peshansky [mailto:pechtcha@XX.XXX.XXX]
> > > * Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:50 AM
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was advised to send the output of cygcheck -svc to the problems
> > > > > list. I don't know how to save that output. I can't grab it with
> > > > > my mouse. Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Barry already replied about the particular case of problem reporting
> > > > and "cygcheck -svr" output, but, for the future, this information is
> > > > in the FAQ:
> > > > <http://cygwin.com/faq/faq.using.html#faq.using.copy-and-paste>.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the various suggestions/comments. I'm afraid I am a little
> > > bit confused. But here's what I can confirm after trying some more
> > > things:
> > >
> > > 1. there's no doubt I have a working cygwin installation, but perl was
> > > not even on the list of packages I could choose in the install.
> >
> > Are you sure?  Did you try switching to the "Full" view and maximizing
> > the setup window?
> >
> > > Now that it's installed, it is not listed if I search by cygcheck -s,
> > > cygcheck -c or cygcheck -p (I understand that at least one of those
> > > should tell me what packages were downloaded and available to install,
> > > even if I didn't manage to install it yet). I tried installing from 2
> > > different mirror sites in case they were somehow different.
> >
> > "cygcheck -cd perl" shows
> >
> > Cygwin Package Information
> > Package              Version
> > perl                 5.8.7-5
> >
> > on my machine.  "cygcheck -p perl" gives me 120 matches in various
> > packages (the search string "perl" is pretty general).  You're going
> > to have to be much more specific about the exact commands you're using
> > for us to be able to help you.
> >
> > > 2. I seem to have unix utilities in my laptop install of cygwin.
> >
> > Which is one of the purposes of Cygwin. :-)  As Dave said, according
> > to the output of "cygcheck -svr", you have a fully functional
> > installation.
> >
> > > 3. "skip" changed to "keep" after the initial install when I went back
> > > to the setup.exe to see if I could install perl or anything else that
> > > wasn't there when I first downloaded, later. This makes sense in light
> > > of Dave's comment below.
> >
> > Setup also supports the "Not installed" and "Up-to-date" views (keep
> > cycling that view button).  Anything available for installation that
> > you have not installed should be in the "Not installed" view.
> >
> > In light of what Dave said, here's another WAG: are you installing
> > "from the internet", or "from a local directory"?  If the latter, you
> > will only see the packages you've previously downloaded to your
> > machine.  If the former, try choosing another mirror.
> >
> > > 4. the rxvt option in the link that Igor sent me seems interesting.
> > > But I have no idea how to "switch" these things. There wasn't enough
> > > information in the page that I was linked to to tell me. I'm sorry --
> > > I'm new at this.
> >
> > Did you read the rest of that FAQ entry (which instructs you how to do
> > copy/paste with the regular command window)? HTH,
> > 	Igor
>
> Thanks for the note on not cc'ing you. I don't know how to reply to a
> message if it doesn't come into my inbox. The messages I got from Dave and
> from Rene earlier today only went to the list, and I can only see them by
> looking at the archives.

You can subscribe to the list, and all messages sent to the list will
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> If there's a way to reply directly from that web window, please let me
> know. I couldn't figure it out. That's why I cut and pasted the message
> into my email software and sent the message the way I did.

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> To clarify: when I say I "reinstalled" cygwin, I mean that I
> re-downloaded it from the web.

Did you use Cygwin setup to download the packages?  If so, why didn't you
just use the "Install from Internet" mode?

> When I say I tried to install a package after the cygwin install, it
> means I went to the setup and tried to add packages. It is actually
> difficult to reinstall cygwin because once I've done it, if I try to do
> it again, it just copies the files from the temp file onto my desktop
> again.  It doesn't allow me to go to another site or select different
> options unless I delete all copies, all shortcuts, and reboot my
> computer.

Huh?  You must be talking about something other than Cygwin setup...  Did
you get it by clicking on the "Install Now" link at <http://cygwin.com/>?
If so, please start that program; click "Next" once; choose "Install from
Internet" on the next screen and click "Next"; choose the installation
directory (I recommend keeping the defaults) and click "Next"; choose
"Direct Connection" on the next screen and click "Next"; choose
"ftp://mirrors.kernel.org"; as your download site and click "Next".  This
should get you to the package selection screen, "Category" view.  Click on
the "View" button until it changes to "Full" (should be once).  Now
maximize the window.  You should see the list of all packages available as
part of Cygwin, sorted alphabetically.

> I don't know if there's another way to do this but this is what I've
> seemed to have to do. I will try it again and see if I can see the
> packages by toggling between view and full. I didn't have to do this in
> the other install I did on my desktop back in November so it never
> occurred to me to try it more than the one time I did and got a blank
> window. When I run cygcheck -cd perl as you did, on my desktop, I get
> the exact same thing that you showed me. When I run it on my laptop
> version, I get nothing. If I type perl -v on the laptop install, I get
> the bash: perl command not found error.

So perl was not installed on your laptop.  When you attached the output of
"cygcheck -svr", was that from the laptop or from the desktop?

> Regarding the cut and paste options: maybe I'm missing something, but
> from the FAQ entry that you pointed to, it gives instructions for win NT
> and win 9.x. I have win XP and there is no "properties" dialog. The top
> of the console window is entirely blank. Is this something I can change?

WinNT means NT-based Windows systems (which includes Win2k and WinXP).  At
the top left of the console window frame there should be an icon.
Clicking that icon brings up a menu (you can also get that menu by
right-clicking on the console title bar).  The last item in that menu is
"Properties" -- that's what the FAQ entry refers to.
HTH,
	Igor
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