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RE: Why the rash of people bypassing setup.exe to install?


Hi all,

I was going through all this thread wondering if noone
would see the (to me as a late Un*x guy) obvious:

Consider a slooooooooooooooooooooow net connection, e.g by
14.4 K Modem, or as Hannu does,
several hosts to be updated. The natural thing to me
appears to download the tar file, unpack 
it somewhere, probably on a CD, and then run setup on your
target machine.
This would account for a load on the tar files while setup
isn't really triggered on the mirrors.

In this context I'd consider it a bad, at least confusing,
idea to rename the tar.bz2 files to something else.



|=> -----Original Message-----
|=> From: Hannu E K Nevalainen (garbage mail)
|=> []
|=> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:06 PM
|=> To:
|=> Subject: RE: Why the rash of people bypassing setup.exe
|to install? => 
|=> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:31:05PM -0500, Rolf
|Campbell wrote: => > >Well, I maintain an internal mirror
|for my company, and  => I use a custom
|=> > >python script to parse our custom setup.ini and
|fetch the needed => > packages.
|=> > >But, I never used
|=> >
|=> > So, translation: "I have no insight into the problem
|but  => I thought I'd
|=> > send email anyway."
|=> >
|=> > cgf
|=>  Sorry Christopher, but did you really READ what he
|said:  => AFAICT it is
|=> something like:
|=>  I've got LOADS OF COMPUTERS(or some such) that I wish
|to  => have fully updated
|=> CYGWIN installations on; this is what I've decided to
|do as  => I feel it is
|=> sane.
|=>  Take a bunch of the above, running setup.exe on their
|own,  => and all of the
|=> mirrors will have a huge network load when a number of 
|=> updates appear.
|=> Here comes more of "I have no insight" to rant on; just
| => shoot (I wouldn't be
|=> too surprised as I haven't read much of the FAQ's and
|README's): => 
|=>  Seems to me as there is more interest in cygwin than
|you expected. => setup.exe COULD have some shortcomings
|here: e.g. the 
|=> possibility to have a
|=> company-local "mini-mirror" that (updated by some kind
|of  => scripting) can be
|=> used by local machines as source for updating the
|installed  => cygwin copies.
|=> NOTE: "scripting" implies AUTOMATIC, e.g. with *no*
|user  => intervention at
|=> all.
|=> e.g:
|=>  To have the thing below work AUTOMATICALLLY, with
|minimal user => intervention:
|=>  [cygwin mirror] --Internet--> [local mirror] --LAN-->
|[any  => # of cygwin
|=> installs]
|=> Another side of all this:
|=>  Users tend to not read more than necessary. I've been 
|=> there myself. Also
|=> taking note of how my friends and work mates act at
|these occasions. => The larger the amount of descriptive
|text you have the  => larger the amount of
|=> FAQ's generated. In other words: I believe there is
|some  => kind of quadratic
|=> (y=x^2) relation between README quality and FAQ amount
|;-)  => [i.e. too little
|=> (or too much) text -> high amount of FAQ's]
|=>  May I suggest that you(the cygwin dev group) add a
|bullet list on => in the following style,
|at the very top of the page: => 
|=> 	    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|=> 		1 ) download "setup.exe" (Cygwin Package 
|=> Manager or whatever)
|=> 		2a) run "setup.exe"
|=> 		2b) decide where to put "local mirror"
|=> 		    (.e.g. C:\cygwin\mirror\)
|=> 		2d) decide "which mirror" to get packages from
|=> 		    (e.g.
|=> 		2d) hit "GO"
|=>  At most FIVE items or so, I'd say.
|=> /Hannu E K Nevalainen, Mariefred, Sweden - undergrad
|who  => shld be do'in his
|=> hmwrk
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