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... If the scheme community finally wants to win, it is going to have to accept the fact that inventing the perfect language is uninteresting if it has no users, and that it might be better to help your neighbor improve performance by a factor of two than to produce a fiftieth scheme interpreter to be placed on the scheme repository FTP site and forgotten. Perry Well said, and I agree fully. Tcl and Perl stole the show. Phil Wadler, one of the Haskell designers, gave a talk recently about how to make a language go big time. The very first thing on the list was ``a really good foreign function interface.'' Another big thing on the list was ``a single, or at most two, implementations which everyone worked on.'' I may not have quoted Wadler exactly correctly, but the point was obviously, languages go big time because a lot of people work on/with them, and that doesn't happen if there is a) no standard implementation and b) no way to hook in the code they've spent their lives working on. Cliff -- Clifford Beshers Computer Graphics and User Interfaces Lab beshers@cs.columbia.edu Department of Computer Science http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~beshers Columbia University