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'de' keyboard layout issues (Re: AW: AW: AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key)
- From: Jon TURNEY <jon dot turney at dronecode dot org dot uk>
- To: cygwin-xfree at cygwin dot com
- Cc: Paul Maier <svn-user at web dot de>
- Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:31:57 +0100
- Subject: 'de' keyboard layout issues (Re: AW: AW: AltGr key mostly fires an additional CONTROL key)
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On 04/08/2011 03:21, Paul Maier wrote:
Thanks for the logs, that was very useful.
I still can't reproduce this (although holding AltGr down to make it
autorepeat seems the best way to try to do that). It is a timing issue with
the keypress/release messages so it might be sensitive to CPU speed, or
perhaps you have some software installed which looks at keypress/release
messages and changes the timing?
I've had a go at fixing it. Can you please try the build I've uploaded at [1]
and see if it still shows the problem for you?
[1] ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx/XWin.20110803-git-a493c0465e56ce0b.exe.bz2
Hi Jon,
works fine for me. I Played around quite a while, but the CONTROL-locking didn't occur any more. Yippie!
Is it ok, if I leave the hotfix file permanently in on my PC (I mean, did you base it on a recent XWin released version with just my
bug fix in - or is there other experimental stuff inside?), then I'll use it automatically during work and I can let you know in
case of problems.
That particular build is 1.10.3-1 plus the patch for your issue.
I wouldn't have started a thread with the following, but since we have already started looking at this keyboard, maybe you are
interested in some of these:
A new thread would have been fine :-)
I am assuming you are using the 'de' keyboard layout:
[ 29391,484] (--) Windows keyboard layout: "00000407" (00000407) "Deutsch", type 4
[ 29391,484] (--) Found matching XKB configuration "German (Germany)"
[ 29391,484] (--) Model = "pc105" Layout = "de" Variant = "none" Options = "none"
[ 29391,484] Rules = "base" Model = "pc105" Layout = "de" Variant = "none" Options = "none"
Tilde sign (~) should be a normal (not a blind) key.
In Windows I hit AltGr+"+" to get ~, in XWin I need to type AltGr+"+" then space to get a ~.
See attachment for the initial XWin xmodmap -pke table.
Possible xmodmap correction (works fine):
keycode 35 = plus asterisk plus asterisk asciitilde
This is a can of worms I don't want to open :-)
At the moment, in the 'de' layout, the tilde deadkey will add a macron
diacritic, e.g. AltGr + "+" + a = ã.
I really lack the expertise to determine if this is a bug in xkeyboard-config
(if this german keyboard behavior is something no german keyboard user would
ever expect or want)
The xkb configurations we use come from the xkeyboard-config project, and
aren't trying to be identical to Windows, but to conform to the appropriate
national standards and user expectations.
However, I can see in the case of XWin this is problematic, as it will be
confusing to switch between X and normal Windows windows which have different
keyboard behavior.
As a workaround, you might find specifying -xkbvariant nodeadkeys,
deadgraveacute or deadacute helpful.
Euro Currency sign doesn't work.
I know - it's not a latin1 character, but together with CP1252 this xmodmap correction works like Windows:
keycode 26 = e E e E 0x0080
I guess this is another symptom of Xlib not understanding the de_DE.CP1252 locale.
This works fine in the de_DE.UTF-8 locale.
I suppose I could patch Xlib to fix this, but I'd rather encourage people to
use UTF-8 locales.
ALT+Space produces a NBSP character (HEX A0) in Windows, but not in XWin.
xmodmap correction is unfortunately not possible, because the xmodmap setting on ISO_Level3_Shift+Space is just thrown away:
Something like
keycode 65 = space NoSymbol space NoSymbol nobreakspace
or
keycode 65 = space space space space nobreakspace
doesn't work: it's discarded and the setting is not shown on a "xmodmap -pke".
So I put nobreakspace to the fifth place of another key - there it works.
That would be good if key 65 (space key) would accept above xmodmap setting or have it initially.
Reading [1], this looks like an (undocumented) Windows-ism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space#Keyboard_entry_methods
Number block is not working.
See attachment for the initial XWin xmodmap -pke table (all these KP_* settings look good at the first sight, but the keys don't
produce numbers).
Possible xmodmap correction (works fine):
keycode 63 = asterisk asterisk
keycode 79 = 7 7
keycode 80 = 8 8
keycode 81 = 9 9
keycode 82 = minus minus
keycode 83 = 4 4
keycode 84 = 5 5
keycode 85 = 6 6
keycode 86 = plus plus
keycode 87 = 1 1
keycode 88 = 2 2
keycode 89 = 3 3
keycode 90 = 0 0
keycode 91 = period period
keycode 108 = Return Return
keycode 112 = slash slash
I can't reproduce this problem.
I wonder if this is a problem with handling numpad overlaid onto normal keys
on a laptop keypad? Again, -logverbose 3 output together with xev output
would be helpful.
--
Jon TURNEY
Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer
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