RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?

["Suhaib Siddiqi" <ssiddiqi at inspirepharm dot com>]

Robert,

Thanks.  Your call.  YOu can add or modify the way you like.

Suhaib

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Collins [mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:19 PM
> To: Suhaib Siddiqi; cygwin xfree86 ; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 11:33 AM
> > To: Robert Collins; 'cygwin xfree86 '; 
> cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
> > 
> > 
> >  Robert,
> > Thanks for your suggestions.  BUT the answer to question is 
> > alrady covered
> > in FAQ.  All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow 
> > the links.  I
> 
> That's the problem. The question: why would I want to use 
> Xfree86/cygwin
> is not covered "in the faq". It is linked to but I am not sure that is
> enough. I don't want to replace Kenton Lee's text, but to ensure that
> readers will goto that page.
> 
> I think the current FAQ provides enough links, but for someone
> impatiently, or just browsing will they follow? We should provide a
> "motivation for this project"/
> 
> > personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better 
> > then Kenton Lee,
> > whose URL pointer is under Q.2. (http://www.rahul.net/kenton).
> 
> I agree reading the FAQ is essential. BUT we also need to give enough
> info in the FAQ that the real easy questions are answered without
> expecting the user to jump through hoops. The mail archives are good,
> but look at the cygwin list : even though the subscription page has a
> link to the archives people still just don't check first.
>  
> > I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the 
> > questions and
> > suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and 
> > then someone else
> > jumping in between hiding behind aliases of Trade-Marks and 
> opening an
> > account as "xmoderator" under anonymous ID's.  This kind of 
> > behavior, I do
> > not appreciate.  It is an OpenSource projects users should be 
> > willing to
> > search and read to find the answers, before asking.  If I 
> am unable to
> > answer the questions properly then others are welcome to 
> > answer, instead of
> > creating confusions through anonymous accounts.
> 
> I agree completely.
> 
> > At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives 
> > Then Ask."  FAQ
> > and Mail archive are there for some good reasons.  98% when I 
> > have problems
> > with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail 
> > archives answer my
> > questions or give me hints where to look for a fix.  I expect 
> > users to make
> > a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space 
> > Chris Faylor
> > devoted to this project.
> > 
> > Suhaib
> > 
> > 1. General Information
> > 1.1
> >  What is X11, X11R6.x, and Cygwin/XFree86?
> >  
> > X11, more precisely called "The X Window System" is a 
> > complete window system
> > that usually runs as the de-facto standard in Unix 
> > environments. X11R6.4 is
> > the name of the current release (precisely, the most recent one is
> > X11R6.5.1, but this is not part of the 4.X server line. XFree86 was
> > originally an implementation of the X Window System on 
> > x86-based systems.
> > (For more information see http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis ). 
> > Cygwin/XFree86
> > is a port of XFree86 version 4 for x86 windows based systems 
> > using Redhat's
> > Cygwin Development Tools.
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 1.2 Where can I find more information?
> >  
> > Books about X11 exist in any well-sorted CS bookstore. 
> > 
> > Some URLs:  
> > http://www.x11.org/ (this has a rather large bibliography)  
> > http://www.xfree86.org/  
> > http://www.rahul.net/kenton 
> > Mailing list Cygwin-XFree@sources.redhat.com. 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Collins
> > To: cygwin xfree86; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> > Sent: 10/26/2000 8:11 PM
> > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
> > 
> > I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered 
> > by the web
> > page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions...
> > 
> > I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages
> > (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.).
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cygwin xfree86 [mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM]
> > > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM
> > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com
> > > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no 
> > > one can answer 
> > > >you....
> > > 
> > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's 
> > > moderators!
> > 
> > This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid 
> contribution.
> > Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the
> > development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So 
> > thanks for
> > your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone 
> assisting you
> > in this project.
> > Nuff Said.
> > 
> > > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were 
> > more tolerant 
> > > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the 
> > > exciting tools that 
> > > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive 
> > > questions is not a to 
> > > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE 
> TOLERANT.
> > 
> > Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached 
> stablility - at
> > this point this is the development group, not a support group.
> > 
> > > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too 
> > > redumentary.
> > > 
> > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be 
> > > in an FAQ - they 
> > > are for use by experienced users and newbies.
> > 
> > As I said.. I agree
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
>