Bug 5814 - bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale
Summary: bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: glibc
Classification: Unclassified
Component: localedata (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
: P2 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: GNU C Library Locale Maintainers
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Reported: 2008-03-01 22:05 UTC by hhaamu
Modified: 2014-07-02 06:58 UTC (History)
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Description hhaamu 2008-03-01 22:05:40 UTC
The correct separator for the Finnish time format is . (full stop), however,
glibc has it currently as : (colon).

To clarify: H.mm.ss (like sv_SE), not hh:mm:ss (like en_US).

http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6379382
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/data/charts/summary/fi.html (row 2453)
Comment 1 Ulrich Drepper 2008-03-04 01:55:52 UTC
You have to provide evidence in the form of official specification, government
publications, or (failing the prior) newspaper websites.
Comment 2 hhaamu 2008-03-04 10:00:40 UTC
The national standard is SFS 4175, a copy of which is only available for a fee:
http://www.sfs.fi/luettelo/sfs.php?standard=SFS+4175

The national broadcasting corporation's news page: http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/
Timetables from the parliament:
http://web.eduskunta.fi/Resource.phx/eduskunta/organisaatio/taysistunto/viikontaysistunnot.htx

This is quite embarrassing, I can't actually find many newspapers' web sites
which use H.mm

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/kielenopas/5.2.html#klo (an unofficial language
guide) refers to the SFS standard and mentions:
"in practice the colon is used a lot [...] slightly clearer than the full stop
[...] this markup can be recommended for multilingual documents." He goes on
using the full stop and colon interchangeably.

other:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/locales/Finland-Finnish_Date.pdf

I'll see if I can find anything else if more is needed.
Comment 3 Ulrich Drepper 2008-06-25 19:35:43 UTC
The example of the parliament's web page was bad, it showed the US-style format
even in the Finnish version.  But I dug into it a bit more and there is evidence
enough.

What I don't understand is why it's done this way since one cannot distinguish
the text from a date using the two-digit year notation.  In the Swedish locale
it is possible.
Comment 4 hhaamu 2008-06-26 13:14:25 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> What I don't understand is why it's done this way since one cannot distinguish
> the text from a date using the two-digit year notation.

You're correct that they look identical for months 10-12, but times are usually
prefixed with "kello" or "klo" to remove ambiguity. The four-digit year also
seems to be preferred.

Dates:
10.2.2008
10.2. (note trailing full stop)
10.2.08
to 10. helmikuuta 2008

Times:
13.37
13.37.42
13.37.42,85

Full:
10.2.2008 klo 13.37
torstai 10. helmikuuta 2008 kello 13.37
Comment 5 Jackie Rosen 2014-02-16 18:27:46 UTC Comment hidden (spam)